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Scheduling Imbalance - Why it exists and why we're noticing it more now

Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:34 pm
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:34 pm
With so much whining and hand wringing over scheduling I want to talk logically about scheduling imbalance.

Why does it exist?
Why are we noticing it more now?
What can help fix it?
What won't help fix it?

1. Why does it exist?

The root cause of scheduling imbalance is lack of round robin play. Picture a league where everyone played everyone else. The league schedules are 100% balanced. The SEC however is too large for round robin play, meaning some teams will not play other teams. This is the core reason behind scheduling imbalances. If you happen to miss some of the good teams and someone else happens to miss some of the bad teams, there's your imbalance.

2. Why are we noticing it more now?

The closer you are to round robin play, the less likely imbalances will exist and the less chance those imbalances will be large. For the last few decades the SEC has had 12 teams and you played 8 conference games. That's 8/11 matchups you had (72%). The SEC recently expanded to 14 teams and still plays 8 conference games, therefor now there is only 8/13 coverage (61%) What this means is that the odds of major scheduling imbalance are much higher than they were before, which is why it's being noticed so much.

3. What can help fix it?

The closer you get to round robin play, the more you eliminate potential imbalance. Expanding the conference schedule to 9 games will greatly reduce the chance for imbalance. It would get the % roughly back to where it was pre-expansion (9/13 = 69%) It will not eliminate it though, nothing short of full round robin (which is impossible) would completely eliminate it.

4. What won't help fix it?

Switching from permanent opponent cross division rivals to rotating ones will not help scheduling imbalance at all. Even with rotating fixed division opponents there will be years one team draws a few very strong teams and another team draws a few very weak teams. Program's strengths are very fluid. Outside of perennial doormats Vanderbilt and Kentucky, pretty much every team in the SEC has had long periods of being strong, long periods of being mediocre, and long periods of being bad, and even Vandy and Kentucky can have strong teams occasionally. It's impossible to predict long term how strong an opponent will be. So even with rotating cross-divisional play schedule imbalances will occur just through the natural rise and fall of programs.

Cliff Notes:

Scheduling imbalance is real, it exists because there isn't full round robin play, we're noticing it more now because the league is bigger and we're further away from round robin than we were, expanding to 9 conference games will help the situation out somewhat, scrapping permanent opponents for rotating ones will not help the situation out at all.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:35 pm to
i would just like to point out that i do not believe the OP is an LSU fan.

carry on
Posted by LSUNV
In the woods or on the water
Member since Feb 2011
23116 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:36 pm to
Herb gonna fix that shite right up
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

i would just like to point out that i do not believe the OP is an LSU fan


Because it's not just blanket bitching?
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

Because it's not just blanket bitching?


wut?
Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:39 pm to
Im scared of Florida too, I hope we dont meet up with them in the SEC championship.
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
59141 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:40 pm to
Solid post, very good points brought up
Posted by Dalosaqy
I can't quite re
Member since Dec 2007
13480 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:41 pm to
Gump denial notwithstanding, nine conference games might just be the equalizer.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

Im scared of Florida


you shouldn't be. LSU has a great game with them every year.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:42 pm to
I think 9 conference games will happen eventually (not in '14) although I understand the resistance from the 4 schools that have annual OOC rivalry games.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
41700 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

Im scared of Florida too, I hope we dont meet up with them in the SEC championship.


Don't worry. If you lose, they'll give you a second chance to play them.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

Gump denial notwithstanding, nine conference games might just be the equalizer.


It would definitely alliviate the issue but not eliminate it. Schedule imbalance has always existed, however the potentail for really strong imbalance is greater now than ever before just due to how many opponents you don't play each season, which is the core reason for imbalance in the first place.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

we're noticing it more now because the league is bigger and we're further away from round robin than we were
We are noticing it more because there is a recent imbalance between LSU and Bama and it drives LSU fans fricking crazy.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12447 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

scrapping permanent opponents for rotating ones will not help the situation out at all.


U wrong
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:45 pm to
No. There was no scheduling imbalance until the "bridge" which allowed Alabama to create a schedule they deemed fit for them. Once we go to a permanent schedule, we won't have an imbalance. Especially if you go to 9 games, at that point you would have one permanent, rotating with one historically weak and one historically strong power.
Posted by texasaggie08
Colorado
Member since Dec 2010
1445 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:46 pm to
I can't think of a football season where you don't look at your schedule and think its either hard or easy relative to the average league member.

In the Big 12 (when it was actually 12 teams), you were fortunate in the early days if you avoided both K State and Nebraska. Then, both teams sucked, so it didnt matter. Hell, KU and Mizzou were top 5 teams one year, who saw that coming?

Point is, teams go through ups and downs. The bitching would be understandable if we knew things would stay the exact same and some teams forever had easy draws and some had really tough ones, but they won't. Its luck of the draw, and all evens out in the end.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 3:48 pm
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

U wrong


Hypothetical situation, SEC goes to rotating cross-divisional opponents.

LSU's rotation in a few years happens to be Vanderbilt and Georgia. Turns out Georgia is top 5 and Vandy is the strongest they've been in 90 years.

Alabama's rotation is South Carolina and Florida. Spurrier has retired and South Carolina is rebuilding and Muschamp has just been fired for punching a referee and they're also rebuilding.

You can substitute LSU/Alabama in the above for any two teams you like.

Even with rotating opponents there is no guarantee of equality. Your team might draw 2 good teams and your rivals might draw 2 bad teams.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 3:49 pm
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
Crimson Tide Fan Club
Member since Oct 2012
15574 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:49 pm to
You know when to hit
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19597 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:51 pm to
quote:

I can't think of a football season where you don't look at your schedule and think its either hard or easy relative to the average league member.

In the Big 12 (when it was actually 12 teams), you were fortunate in the early days if you avoided both K State and Nebraska. Then, both teams sucked, so it didnt matter. Hell, KU and Mizzou were top 5 teams one year, who saw that coming?

Point is, teams go through ups and downs. The bitching would be understandable if we knew things would stay the exact same and some teams forever had easy draws and some had really tough ones, but they won't. Its luck of the draw, and all evens out in the end.


This guy gets it
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

No. There was no scheduling imbalance until the "bridge" which allowed Alabama to create a schedule they deemed fit for them


Bridge Schedule explained
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