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IF CMR gets a MNC before he Retires...
Posted on 3/25/13 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 3/25/13 at 12:57 pm
Does he pass Dooley as our greatest HC in your opinion?
Posted on 3/25/13 at 1:07 pm to K9
Better win % and never will have a Herschel-esque player to win him a championship.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 1:17 pm to K9
This isn't even a question, it would be like asking what would you rather do, watch a UGA game in Athens or go watch tech play in boise in December.
In fact, you could make a case (not a consensus opinion, but you could certainly make a case) that Richt is already our greatest head coach. As of right now.
I'm not one to say "well, if you take away x or if y had happened, things would be different!", because x did happen. But just for the sake of perspective, look at Dooley's career without Herschel. 22 years, 3 SEC titles, many poor/bad/average years sprinkled throughout. Now with that said, 80-82 DID happen and they DO count. All I'm saying is that a lot of old timers have Dooley built up as some sort of icon and legend, when in reality he rode the greatest college player of all time for 3 years and turned that into 3 SEC titles and a natty. That's great, and our program wouldn't be what it is without that and without Dooley. But he ain't all that.
In fact, you could make a case (not a consensus opinion, but you could certainly make a case) that Richt is already our greatest head coach. As of right now.
I'm not one to say "well, if you take away x or if y had happened, things would be different!", because x did happen. But just for the sake of perspective, look at Dooley's career without Herschel. 22 years, 3 SEC titles, many poor/bad/average years sprinkled throughout. Now with that said, 80-82 DID happen and they DO count. All I'm saying is that a lot of old timers have Dooley built up as some sort of icon and legend, when in reality he rode the greatest college player of all time for 3 years and turned that into 3 SEC titles and a natty. That's great, and our program wouldn't be what it is without that and without Dooley. But he ain't all that.
This post was edited on 3/25/13 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 3/25/13 at 1:19 pm to WG_Dawg
without question, which begs the question. Why did you ask such a question.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 1:25 pm to DawgCountry
Yeah i figured I would get these responses. And I agree. I just think it would be weird to see CMR in that light. Dooley kinda has tat aura about him, and for CMR to be viewed like that after all the things I've read on the DR would be strange.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 1:26 pm to K9
Yep
The shite Richt gets now is way overblown, if not for some bullshite luck working for other teams Richt could have two or three crystal balls by now.
2002, 2007, 2012
The shite Richt gets now is way overblown, if not for some bullshite luck working for other teams Richt could have two or three crystal balls by now.
2002, 2007, 2012
Posted on 3/25/13 at 1:26 pm to WG_Dawg
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All I'm saying is that a lot of old timers have Dooley built up as some sort of icon and legend
I guess thats the point I'm getting at...Does CMR push past Dooley, in being the "icon of UGA' way.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 1:32 pm to K9
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I guess thats the point I'm getting at...Does CMR push past Dooley, in being the "icon of UGA' way
Yes, without a second of hesitation. Dooley only has that aura for 2 reasons: the run he had from 80-82 and winning a national title, and longevity. Anytime a coach stays somewhere for 25 years they're going to achieve a certain status.
If Richt wins a national title, point #1 for Dooley is negated. That only leaves longevity, but Richt has already been here for 12 years, and it's not a stretch to think he could be here for 10 more.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 1:33 pm to K9
An argument could be made for Butts being better than Dooley IMO
Posted on 3/25/13 at 1:57 pm to K9
yup....
After 158 games...(stats are for 1st 158 games only)...
CMR... 118 - 40... .747%...2SECC's... 2-1 in Major Bowls...(3 Sugars)... 0 MNC...
Dooley..104 - 49 - 5....674%...3SECC's(2 shared & 1 solo)... 1-3 in Major Bowls...(2 Sugar, 2 Cotton)... 0 MNC...
Butts... 103 - 48 - 7...674%...3SECC's(2 solo & 1 shared)... 3-1 in Major Bowls(2 Orange, 1 Sugar, 1 Rose)... 1 MNC...
After 158 games...(stats are for 1st 158 games only)...
CMR... 118 - 40... .747%...2SECC's... 2-1 in Major Bowls...(3 Sugars)... 0 MNC...
Dooley..104 - 49 - 5....674%...3SECC's(2 shared & 1 solo)... 1-3 in Major Bowls...(2 Sugar, 2 Cotton)... 0 MNC...
Butts... 103 - 48 - 7...674%...3SECC's(2 solo & 1 shared)... 3-1 in Major Bowls(2 Orange, 1 Sugar, 1 Rose)... 1 MNC...
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:01 pm to dawgfan24348
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The shite Richt gets now is way overblown
This is also worth noting. If the society we live in today with the nonstop, 24/7, up to the minute media attention/blogs/message boards/sports columns/etc was around in the 1960s there ain't no way in hell Dooley would've even made it to 1980.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:16 pm to WG_Dawg
In this era of football, this is the strongest the SEC has ever been, much more than it ever was with Dooley as HC. Aside from a few down years, Richt still has UGA playing at a high level with strong competition from all around the conference.
I don't know if Dooley would have been able to hang on this long with programs Alabama, Auburn, Florida, LSU and even South Carolina as relevant as they are right now.
I don't know if Dooley would have been able to hang on this long with programs Alabama, Auburn, Florida, LSU and even South Carolina as relevant as they are right now.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:17 pm to K9
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WG_Dawg
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Dooley built up as some sort of icon and legend, when in reality he rode the greatest college player of all time for 3 years and turned that into 3 SEC titles and a natty.
Do you not think Richt would take this?
Auburn had their Cam.
Florida had their Tebow.
Texas had their Young.
It could be argued that Richt won't get his NC until he gets another Charlie Ward or Herschel Walker.
Because the only other option is to build a team that is just better than everyone else.
And he certainly hasn't done that.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:24 pm to bulldawger
Without a doubt Wally Butts.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:24 pm to dawgdayafternoon
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Aside from a few down years,
Richt has only had one really "bad" year, going 6-7. Some other 9-4, 8-5 type years were down sure, but they weren't necessarily BAD, other than 2010. From 1964-1979, Dooley put up records of 6-4, 5-5 twice, 7-4 twice, 6-6, 5-6, and 6-5. If he lived by today's standards, there's no way he makes it to 1980.
And even after our great run from 80-83, he never lost less than 3 games the rest of his career. The best season he had post cotton bowl was 9-3.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:28 pm to bulldawger
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Do you not think Richt would take this?
Did I ever even hint that we wouldn't take this? Do you really think that I would be opposed to a transcendent, once in a generation type player at UGA?
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It could be argued that Richt won't get his NC until he gets another Charlie Ward or Herschel Walker.
Yes, you could argue that, but you wouldn't necessarily be right. Richt has coached 3 teams that were good enough to win a national title. Hell, just 3 months ago we were 10 seconds away from winning it all and it didn't take a tebow or a cam. Alabama hasn't had one of "those" players yet they've won 3 of the last 4 by just playing good football. LSU didn't have one of "those" in 03 or 07. Ohio State didn't have one in 02 (please don't try to put maurice clarett in the same group of vince/tebow/cam). My point is that if you have one of "those", then yeah your chances at winning it all exponentionally increase, but it's not a requirement.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 2:30 pm to K9
I think he will be tops w/o any hesitation at all, K9. UGA will win it all this year and Richts status will be cemented. Enter the next phase, the statues of him, Dooley, and Walker at the entrance to Sanford, or in the Butts Mehre bldg.
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