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Posted on 3/3/13 at 8:51 pm to we_geaux_harder
Posted on 3/3/13 at 8:51 pm to we_geaux_harder
Most coaches? They share many of the same big-time offers.
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 12:42 am to StrickAggie06
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Paris' current film is NOT 5* material. Our coaches have DSG rated higher precisely because of this fact.
Wow, tell your coaches to get off their arse and watch some real action....did you ever think maybe the "video" you are so fond of was full of more highlights than Paris? Either way, to say that is "the" reason DSG is rated higher is dumb, because obviously these coaches are going to try and see these guys in person and camps are where this is done for the most part up to this point.
Also, I am aware both have been offered, but as far as DSG being evaluated "higher" than Paris or Brown bycoaches who have never been behind a great defense is nothing to be concerned about. Les Miles and the LSU defensive staff as stated have had as much success on the field as any defense in college football, and they send plenty of guys to the NFL. So I would have to defer to the LSU evaluations over the very very very unproven A&M staff.
This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 12:45 am
Posted on 3/4/13 at 12:53 am to tiggerthetooth
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Wow, tell your coaches to get off their arse and watch some real action....did you ever think maybe the "video" you are so fond of was full of more highlights than Paris?
It was hudl video for Paris. The entire video is supposed to be highlighting Paris, just as DSG's does, which is much, MUCH more impressive than Paris'.
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Either way, to say that is "the" reason DSG is rated higher is dumb, because obviously these coaches are going to try and see these guys in person and camps are where this is done for the most part up to this point.
Wrong. Our recruiting experts have stated plainly that our coaches have DSG rated higher because of his on field play compared to Paris'.
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So I would have to defer to the LSU evaluations over the very very very unproven A&M staff.
Again, show me where the LSU coaching staff has stated that they rate Paris higher than DSG. For all you know, the LSU coaches agree in their rankings with the A&M staff. You morons see that a couple of recruiting services have Paris rated higher and automatically assume he is better. The coaches don't give a shite about anyone's recruiting rankings except their own.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 1:03 am to StrickAggie06
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Wrong. Our recruiting experts have stated plainly that our coaches have DSG rated higher because of his on field play compared to Paris'.
You said that it was because of the video dipshit. I'm just repeating what came from your key strokes. Sorry if you can't follow your own words.
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 1:18 am to tiggerthetooth
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You said that it was because of the video dipshit. I'm just repeating what came from your key strokes. Sorry if you can't follow your own words.
Wow. The video is of his on field play, so it is the same fricking thing retard. My opinion is based on the video only but obviously our coaches have attended games and seen them in person in addition to all the film they have. This isn't rocket science...it's like I'm trying to argue with a fricking monkey. Of course, it's been well established that you're one of the worst posters on the rant, so I shouldn't be surprised.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 1:19 am to StrickAggie06
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It was hudl video for Paris. The entire video is supposed to be highlighting Paris, just as DSG's does, which is much, MUCH more impressive than Paris'.
Seriously, GTFO.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 1:24 am to StrickAggie06
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Wow. The video is of his on field play, so it is the same fricking thing retard. My opinion is based on the video only but obviously our coaches have attended games and seen them in person in addition to all the film they have. This isn't rocket science...it's like I'm trying to argue with a fricking monkey. Of course, it's been well established that you're one of the worst posters on the rant, so I shouldn't be surprised.
You said it man. Do you consider at all the competition in each of those games? You really have no idea what the coaches think. For all you know the A&M coaches could have DSG higher simply because they knew they had a shot at him and had only a slim chance at Paris and Brown.
Also, you are utterly delusional if you think their videos are significantly different enough to think that one is "obviously" better than the other. Admit it, you're mad LSU is taking recruits from your backyard, and its funny because they have for awhile now and you aggies act like its something new. Its what happens when you win championships big guy. Sorry A&M isn't an elite program. Cotton Bowls don't do that, championships do. Its takes finishing 1st in the SEC West and winning the SECCG, not finishing 3rd in the West and 5th in the conference then proclaiming yourself world beaters. Take off your maroon glasses and I'll kindly ask you once more please. Go back to TexAgs where this bullshite belongs.
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 1:52 am to tiggerthetooth
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You really have no idea what the coaches think. For all you know the A&M coaches could have DSG higher simply because they knew they had a shot at him and had only a slim chance at Paris and Brown.
As I said already, our recruiting guys have spoken to our coaches and stated clearly that they have DSG rated higher because if on field performance. This isn't an opinion, it is a FACT.
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Also, you are utterly delusional if you think their videos are significantly different enough to think that one is "obviously" better than the other.
PARIS:
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DSG:
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ADAMS:
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Watch the video. Paris is clearly the least impressive of the 3. He gets straight up burned on multiple plays. The other 2 don't. They are also better tacklers and more effective against the run than Paris.
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Sorry A&M isn't anelite program.
LSU wasn't anywhere close to an elite program until Saban arrived. You have a few years of success, and suddenly all LSU fans think their football program is as historically relevant as Alabama.
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Admit it, you're mad LSU is taking recruits from your backyard, and its funny because they have for awhile now and you aggies act like its something new.
Hardly. First off, both kids are Katrina evacuees so you aren't taking anyone from our "backyard"; you're simply getting people back from your own state. I would love to have Brown, but there isn't a big difference between him and the CBs we have committed. I'm not even remotely concerned about not getting Paris.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 2:19 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:i think it was kaiser, but someone made a post about how similar a&m and lsu where from 1920 until saban came along. lsu isnt a historical powerhouse. you guys have been great for the past 12 years, but you are not a historical power
Sorry A&M isn't an elite program
Posted on 3/4/13 at 2:25 am to StrickAggie06
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LSU wasn't anywhere close to an elite program until Saban arrived. You have a few years of success, and suddenly all LSU fans think their football program is as historically relevant as Alabama.
While this is 100% true about LSU, doesn't change the fact that Texas A&M isn't even near an elite program. Even A&M's golden years from the past few decades pales in comparison to LSU's run lately.
Also, for all the talk about A&M's staying power to be a top team, LSU is a sure lock while A&M is not. You do not realize that not only is LSU the flagship program in the state (which A&M is not), they have zero competition in state for fan support and recruits. LA has good football recruits too. Also, LA has some good pipelines into both Texas and FL which makes them significantly more lethal in recruiting than Texas A&M at the moment. Because of all that, even if LSU has down years, they will always have those resources and always have the potential to get back on top.
Texas A&M's success is entirely dependent on the success of UT austin because they will always be the flagship program with all the support. Also, when UT does well, the big 12 does well which makes the conference difference less of a big deal.
A&M is in a similar (albeit significantly better) situation to Auburn in 2010 or AU in the 2000s. We were the better team and program on the field and having significantly more success. We were riding big waves of momentum. Once the flagship program of the state decided to not be frickups however, things started to change.
You better hope Mack Brown stays or UT stays dormant because you are in for a rude awakening. If A&M does not stay dominant and UT wakes up, all this Texas recruiting will end.
This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 2:27 am
Posted on 3/4/13 at 2:53 am to GenesChin
well obviously, but the fact is there is so much talent in texas that its possible to have 2 top 15/10 programs going at the same time. the other 2 of the big 3 states have had it with USC and UCLA in california and FSU, UF, and the U in florida. a&ms problem is that we have never had the right coach. if sumlin is as good as he was this year, its very possible for us to coexist with tu
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:14 am to GenesChin
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LSU wasn't anywhere close to an elite program until Saban arrived. You have a few years of success, and suddenly all LSU fans think their football program is as historically relevant as Alabama.
While this is 100% true about LSU, doesn't change the fact that Texas A&M isn't even near an elite program. Even A&M's golden years from the past few decades pales in comparison to LSU's run lately.
Also, for all the talk about A&M's staying power to be a top team, LSU is a sure lock while A&M is not. You do not realize that not only is LSU the flagship program in the state (which A&M is not), they have zero competition in state for fan support and recruits. LA has good football recruits too. Also, LA has some good pipelines into both Texas and FL which makes them significantly more lethal in recruiting than Texas A&M at the moment. Because of all that, even if LSU has down years, they will always have those resources and always have the potential to get back on top.
Texas A&M's success is entirely dependent on the success of UT austin because they will always be the flagship program with all the support. Also, when UT does well, the big 12 does well which makes the conference difference less of a big deal.
A&M is in a similar (albeit significantly better) situation to Auburn in 2010 or AU in the 2000s. We were the better team and program on the field and having significantly more success. We were riding big waves of momentum. Once the flagship program of the state decided to not be frickups however, things started to change.
You better hope Mack Brown stays or UT stays dormant because you are in for a rude awakening. If A&M does not stay dominant and UT wakes up, all this Texas recruiting will end.
You don't understand Texas at all. A&M and Texas are both Flagships. We both have massive endowments, massive alumni bases, AAU Status, and strong AD's. Has Texas had more historical success than A&M? Yes, but ever since A&M shifted in mission from being a primarily male, military school that has also changed. Did Texas own A&M in the '00s? Absolutely, just as A&M owned Texas (winning 10 of 11) from the mid '80s to the mid '90s. The 2 schools have over 800k alumni between the 2 of them (Texas has more alumni but A&M is now the larger school). The "uncommitted masses" go with whomever is winning. I live in Austin and you can already see almost as much maroon as you do orange even here. Back in the early '90s you couldn't see a longhorn tshirt anywhere outside the Texas campus.
It amazes me just how short the memories are for some folks here. It was barely a decade ago that A&M went and hired ALABAMA's coach after running off the winningest coach in SWC history because 6-6 wasn't good enough. We screwed up with that hire but it was hard to see just what a disaster Fran was going to be. It didn't help that Texas, OU, and LSU all were on the rise at the exact time we were falling down.
There is absolutely no guarantee LSU will remain an elite team. They are well positioned for certain but historically the last decade plus is far outside the norm for what they have done. They do own Louisiana which is a talent rich State but it is still a small state. There are about 1.5 million LESS people in the entire State of Louisiana as there are in just the Houston metro area (which is only about 1/5th of the population of Texas).
If LSU were so dominant over A&M how do they not win every head to head battle? After all LSU has multiple NC's and SEC Championships along with the last 2 head to head wins over A&M and it has been 15 years since A&M even won the Big 12. Texas played in the NC just 3 years ago as well. How is A&M dominating Texas and going toe to toe with LSU and yet we have "maxed" our potential? What do you think happens if A&M gets on a run this year and wins the NC? With our resources A&M has immense staying power and the move to the SEC truly was a game changer in that respect. It gives A&M a huge and permanent advantage over Texas and OU.
Keep underestimating A&M if you wish but it only shows naivete. We are still the largest and richest school in the SEC from the largest state and that isn't changing. A&M has to really shoot itself in the foot not to succeed at this point but Sumlin is no Fran.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:23 am to WestCoastAg
There are two top 15 programs in Texas, OU and UT.
Then you have a shite ton of other schools recruiting out of there
Then you have a shite ton of other schools recruiting out of there
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:45 am to StrickAggie06
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You have a few years of success, and suddenly all LSU fans think their football program is as historically relevant as Alabama.
And yet A&M fans think they are relevant after only one year under Sumlin
Posted on 3/4/13 at 10:04 am to GeauxAggie972
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You have a few years of success, and suddenly all LSU fans think their football program is as historically relevant as Alabama.
And yet A&M fans think they are relevant after only one year under Sumlin
A lot of recruits and national sportswriters seem to think so as well.
A&M is relevant because we are the largest school from the largest football state in the country and the SEC in general. We also have a respectable history and are putting our massive resources to work in putting our program back to where it once was and deserves to be. A&M has enough money in our endowment to buy LSU and make it in to an annex.
There is no question LSU has outperformed A&M football wise for the last decade and it isn't close. That doesn't mean it will always be that way and looking at the underlying factors of what makes a program successful long term to act as though it is an inevitability to continue only shows ignorance. The only other SEC school with comparable resources is Florida.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 10:13 am to GenesChin
You have a very incomplete understanding of the entire dynamic in Texas. I imagine that's primarily a consequence of: 1) not spending much time in the state; 2) not being too familiar with what transpired before ~2000; and 3) not having a firm grasp of Texas A&M and its place in the state (probably a product of TAMU's recent troubles).
Read the Texas Constitution then get back to me about whether TAMU is a flagship school in Texas.
How does it make them more lethal? LSU doesn't exactly own Florida. I guess they stand a better chance than A&M in that state, but it's not like a significant part of their lifeblood flows from Florida.
A&M is of course affected by Texas's success, but the inverse is true as well.
Is it easier for TAMU when Texas is down? Sure, of course. But you'll note that A&M signed a top 10 class in 2013 and only THREE of the 32 or 33 signees held Texas offers. So even if Texas gets primarily who they want (which usually occurs when they win big), there are plenty of quality kids left for TAMU to sign a top 10 unit.
That doesn't sound too "dependent" to me.
Yeah, this just sounds like wish-casting. You have something invested but I'm not sure what--maybe it's just proving us wrong. Either way, such a sweeping statement based on a fundamental misunderstanding of college football in the state of Texas doesn't really move the needle.
As long as Sumlin remains here, TAMU will perform at a level proportionate to its inherent advantages. That likely means a floor of 8 wins per year with occasional outliers.
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You do not realize that not only is LSU the flagship program in the state (which A&M is not)
Read the Texas Constitution then get back to me about whether TAMU is a flagship school in Texas.
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Also, LA has some good pipelines into both Texas and FL which makes them significantly more lethal in recruiting than Texas A&M at the moment.
How does it make them more lethal? LSU doesn't exactly own Florida. I guess they stand a better chance than A&M in that state, but it's not like a significant part of their lifeblood flows from Florida.
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Texas A&M's success is entirely dependent on the success of UT austin because they will always be the flagship program with all the support. Also, when UT does well, the big 12 does well which makes the conference difference less of a big deal.
A&M is of course affected by Texas's success, but the inverse is true as well.
Is it easier for TAMU when Texas is down? Sure, of course. But you'll note that A&M signed a top 10 class in 2013 and only THREE of the 32 or 33 signees held Texas offers. So even if Texas gets primarily who they want (which usually occurs when they win big), there are plenty of quality kids left for TAMU to sign a top 10 unit.
That doesn't sound too "dependent" to me.
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You better hope Mack Brown stays or UT stays dormant because you are in for a rude awakening. If A&M does not stay dominant and UT wakes up, all this Texas recruiting will end.
Yeah, this just sounds like wish-casting. You have something invested but I'm not sure what--maybe it's just proving us wrong. Either way, such a sweeping statement based on a fundamental misunderstanding of college football in the state of Texas doesn't really move the needle.
As long as Sumlin remains here, TAMU will perform at a level proportionate to its inherent advantages. That likely means a floor of 8 wins per year with occasional outliers.
This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 10:20 am
Posted on 3/4/13 at 10:15 am to GenesChin
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There are two top 15 programs in Texas, OU and UT.
OU is indeed a top 15 program--top 5 historically, even.
But TAMU is absolutely eating Stoops' lunch right now--and has the last three classes.
OU has been relegated to third (at best) priority in the state of Texas. And that's almost exclusively because of Texas A&M.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 12:31 pm to GenesChin
You have no idea how badly stoops has been shut out in texas. They are totally being pushed to #3 in the state when it comes to recruiting. And as the other said, you have absolutely 0 understanding of anything regarding a&m and tu
Posted on 3/4/13 at 12:36 pm to WestCoastAg
Lived in Texas for a few years. People thought in AU when Tubs won 9+ that we would never fall from there and we were coming on equal footing with Bama since we won 6 in a row.
A&M has had one good season. Stop thinking you have consolidated gains and are competing with UT
A&M has had one good season. Stop thinking you have consolidated gains and are competing with UT
Posted on 3/4/13 at 12:37 pm to WestCoastAg
Lived in Texas for a few years. People thought in AU when Tubs won 9+ that we would never fall from there and we were coming on equal footing with Bama since we won 6 in a row.
A&M has had one good season. Stop thinking you have consolidated gains and are competing with UT
A&M has had one good season. Stop thinking you have consolidated gains and are competing with UT
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