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Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:51 pm to ChargerDog91
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:51 pm to ChargerDog91
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So basically do what has fricked us over for the past 5 years?
1- Don't you hate it when you act like a dick? I know I do... seriously.
2- Who is talking about 5 years ago? Was Ray the coach?
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I'll give it to you DH you certainly believe you're always right.
Not at all. I do think in this case, Ray made a mistake.
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Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:53 pm to Allyn McKeen
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Cleaning house was OK. It is the injuries and cleaning house that has us playing with the really short bench.
Injuries happen every year. It's another reason that he should have played the hand differently.
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The players that were disciplined did this to themselves. I know it. You know it. They know it.
I'm all about owning up to and taking responsibility for ones actions. This is not my complaint.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 9:32 pm to darkhorse
You're the one talking about things you have no earthly idea about. Sorry that trying to tell you that Kristers and Shaun were both on the third strike regarding smoking weed isn't enough. I worked with the team for the first month and a half of school. I know every player and talk to them all the time. I will venture to say I know more about the inner workings than you do.
I am talking about five years ago, because you said we should give players a pass this year because of certain reasons. And I said you are basically advocating doing what was done the last few years.
I am talking about five years ago, because you said we should give players a pass this year because of certain reasons. And I said you are basically advocating doing what was done the last few years.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 11:28 pm to darkhorse
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He made a mistake in what he is did, and it's going to be hard to get MSU out of it. Can he do it? who knows. time will tell. But he made a mistake.
Ray is doing exactly what he was hired to do. He was told they didnt give a shite if he won a game this year or not- they wanted the program cleaned up. The President and others had had enough.
Had we not had the injuries- we would have been an NIT team this year anyway. It's the injuries that killed the season- not discipline
Posted on 2/12/13 at 12:12 am to ChargerDog91
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You're the one talking about things you have no earthly idea about.
Really? Because I was talking about Ray. He was not here over the past 5 years which is where you went.
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Sorry that trying to tell you that Kristers and Shaun were both on the third strike regarding smoking weed isn't enough.
That's not the point made!! I see alot of relationship issues for you in your future. "you just don't listen to me" She's going to be saying it.. alot!
Your too busy trying to be a smart arse on a message board to impress than to read what was stated. WOW! GREAT JOB!
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I worked with the team for the first month and a half of school. I know every player and talk to them all the time. I will venture to say I know more about the inner workings than you do.
Won't even try to take that from you..
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I am talking about five years ago, because you said we should give players a pass this year because of certain reasons.
Take some classes on communication. Learn to hear what the other person says. I never stated give anybody a pass on anything! Please show me where I stated that.
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And I said you are basically advocating doing what was done the last few years.
no, I did not state that anywhere in this thread.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 12:17 am to CoonassBulldog
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Ray is doing exactly what he was hired to do. He was told they didnt give a shite if he won a game this year or not- they wanted the program cleaned up. The President and others had had enough.
2 points on this:
1- He very well may have been hired to do that. Again, that does not mean that it had to be done in this way. There was another way...
2- I would have to see the transcript or hear the conversation to believe that the AD and President told him to at all cost, "clean it up".
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Had we not had the injuries- we would have been an NIT team this year anyway. It's the injuries that killed the season- not discipline
100% disagree, and you nor I will know for a fact. Pure speculation.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 12:44 am to darkhorse
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WOW! GREAT JOB!
Are you still under the notion that putting things in caps and adding exclamation points makes you right?
Posted on 2/12/13 at 1:22 am to darkhorse
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Your too busy trying to be a smart arse on a message board to impress than to read what was stated
You're*
Posted on 2/12/13 at 3:58 am to darkhorse
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You're the one talking about things you have no earthly idea about.
Really? Because I was talking about Ray. He was not here over the past 5 years which is where you went.
My quote earlier had nothing to do with the 5 years comment. It had to do with the dismissals of Kristers and Shaun. I brought up 5 years because this entire thread you have been advocating players to get away with things because there aren't enough players on the team. I simply added that the last 5 years, players got away with shite and look where it got us?
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Take some classes on communication. Learn to hear what the other person says. I never stated give anybody a pass on anything! Please show me where I stated that.
"He cleaned house way to soon. Had he waited, he could have maybe made the NIT in his first year, and recruited the players he wanted. Then he could have cleaned house for his reasons."
You said this in the beginning of the thread. That would make someone assume that you are saying to not punish them.
You are trying to deflect now. I don't think i'm the one being the smart arse. That would be you.
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That's not the point made
What point are you trying to make then? Cause this entire thread is based around you saying Ray shouldn't have suspended several players. That would make any logical person conclude that your point was to say that Kristers and Shaun shouldn't have been let go. My response to you would be that both had to go regardless. It was no different than the Tyrann Mathieu debacle. He had his third strike and got cut, Kristers and Shaun had their third strike and got cut.
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Take some classes on communication. Learn to hear what the other person says. I never stated give anybody a pass on anything! Please show me where I stated that.
Oh I've heard everything you said. And it's complete and utter bullshite cause you can't finish the argument. You have been deflecting ever sense you started the thread. You sound like a sleazy arse car salesman honestly.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 9:31 am to darkhorse
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100% disagree, and you nor I will know for a fact. Pure speculation.
If this team had had Applewhite and Davis- who both handle the ball better than Bloodman- we would have had fewer turnovers and much better cohesion on offense. Not to mention more talent and depth. Bloodman was supposed to be the 3rd guard of that group
Having Wendell Lewis would have also made us better obviously in the post.
With those 3 guys- we would have:
beaten Troy- a 3 pt loss
Had a chance to beat Providence
beaten Loyola- 8 pt loss
beaten Ala A&M- 2 pt loss
beaten A&M- lost in OT
beaten LSU- 1 pt loss
So at worst- we are 12-10 with a possible shot at being 13-9 right now- with a chance to win 4-5 more games. We may not have made the NIT- but would have been an 8-10 team in the SEC at worst and had a winning record with a team full of Freshmen
Losing those 3 guys was a killer to this season
Posted on 2/12/13 at 9:38 am to darkhorse
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2- I would have to see the transcript or hear the conversation to believe that the AD and President told him to at all cost, "clean it up".
Well, all I can tell you is that is what they said. Keenum and Strick wanted basketball run the same way Football and Baseball are run- with accountability.
Ray runs it the same way Mullen and Cohen do- and the guys are learning what will happen if the break rules.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 10:00 am to CoonassBulldog
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If this team had had Applewhite and Davis- who both handle the ball better than Bloodman- we would have had fewer turnovers and much better cohesion on offense. Not to mention more talent and depth. Bloodman was supposed to be the 3rd guard of that group
Having Wendell Lewis would have also made us better obviously in the post.
With those 3 guys- we would have:
beaten Troy- a 3 pt loss
Had a chance to beat Providence
beaten Loyola- 8 pt loss
beaten Ala A&M- 2 pt loss
beaten A&M- lost in OT
beaten LSU- 1 pt loss
So at worst- we are 12-10 with a possible shot at being 13-9 right now- with a chance to win 4-5 more games. We may not have made the NIT- but would have been an 8-10 team in the SEC at worst and had a winning record with a team full of Freshmen
Losing those 3 guys was a killer to this season
Bundy needs to make copies of this post and put one on the wall by his recliner, tape one to his desk at work, and put one on his bathroom mirror.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 10:01 am to darkhorse
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2- I would have to see the transcript or hear the conversation to believe that the AD and President told him to at all cost, "clean it up".
We had the most out of control program in the country. You think they fired Stans and then told Ray to do the same thing?
Posted on 2/12/13 at 10:14 am to Tds & Beer
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We had the most out of control program in the country. You think they fired Stans and then told Ray to do the same thing?
Exactly. Stands wasnt fired for losing- he was fired because the program was out of control. Getting in line with the others was priority number 1
Posted on 2/12/13 at 11:04 am to CoonassBulldog
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Had we not had the injuries- we would have been an NIT team this year anyway. It's the injuries that killed the season- not discipline
Come on Coonass, thats a STRETCH. We are 7-15 you really believe that Wendell Lewis and Jacolby Davis would have been that big of a difference?
We could have been .500 at best but 16-15 doesnt get you into the NIT anymore, especially with our weak RPI
ETA: With that said, I belive that IF our players improve and get to where they "GET" the system and IJ Ready and Jacolby Davis are a lot better than Bloodman, then I feel we have a chance of being .500 next year with an outside shot at the NIT, but it all depends on our OOC scheduling.
This post was edited on 2/12/13 at 11:09 am
Posted on 2/12/13 at 11:08 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
Posted on 2/12/13 at 11:09 am to Tds & Beer
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Don't forget about Applewhite and Zeidaks. Z would have been a freakin force this year.
Applewhite isn't that good. He may develop into a good player, but out of HS in Memphis he had very few offers from D1 schools.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 11:14 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
I didn't say he was that good. I said we would be better with him. Would we not? Applewhite, Lewis, Davis and we are a totally different team.
This post was edited on 2/12/13 at 11:15 am
Posted on 2/12/13 at 11:22 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Come on Coonass, thats a STRETCH. We are 7-15 you really believe that Wendell Lewis and Jacolby Davis would have been that big of a difference?
Are you seriously trying to act like those 2 wouldnt be better than playing Tyson Cunningham and the white guy? Not to mention our other guys getting more of a rest during a game so that they arent exhausted at game's end?
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