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re: Saban, Miles, and Bielema

Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:37 pm to
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:37 pm to
this
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:38 pm to
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BMFP would have had he not lost his mind.


That's not at all verifiable and actually is counter intuitive when you look at the facts.
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:39 pm to
I'm not sure how I'm lazy, but alright. I guess?

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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:39 pm to
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You say that but historically the numbers say different. Wisconsin is only relevant as of their last two coaches. they could have very easily fallen off into mediocrity after Alvarez left. As far as recruiting, it seems that he puts kids in the nfl at a very high rate and that's a much better gauge of recruiting than the website rankings.


Again he's obviously better than JLS but Arkansas fans seem to think this is a NC level coach and there's nothing at all in his profile to suggest he could that even under optimal conditions let alone at Arkansas.
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:40 pm to
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Again he's obviously better than JLS but Arkansas fans seem to think this is a NC level coach and there's nothing at all in his profile to suggest he could that even under optimal conditions let alone at Arkansas.


So what would you want from a coaching hire that would make that hire better than bielema?
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:42 pm to
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So what would you want from a coaching hire that would make that hire better than bielema?


Dynamic recruiter and great with X's and O's like an Art Briles. Arkansas is not going to beat the top level teams at their own game, which is the style BB employs. You need someone more like Bobby sans the personality to win big at Arkansas.
Posted by Tigercoop40
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:43 pm to
I think Bielema was the best hire Arkansas could hope for to compete with LSU and Alabama. The only way to compete with these teams is beat them at their own game. A physical line; offense and defense. And a ground game that can wear down a defense.

The problem is can Bielema recruit the kind of kids he needs to make the system. As well as will Arkansas fans be patient with him while he tries to build it. They want success now, and it will not come next year.
Posted by Gladius Veritas
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:46 pm to
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Arkansas is not going to beat the top level teams at their own game


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The only way to compete with these teams is beat them at their own game


Lol
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:47 pm to
I noticed that too and loled, Tigercoup is wrong though
Posted by Tigercoop40
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:48 pm to
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Gladius Veritas



You may occasionally be able to beat them. Like Texas A&M beating Alabama this year. But will it work on a year to year basis? No.

Look at your best year. Arkansas in 2011. How did they do vs LSU and Alabama?

The year Auburn beat them, it was a physical run game.
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:49 pm to
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Dynamic recruiter and great with X's and O's like an Art Briles.
If we hired Briles everyone would be saying that we wouldn't play defense and he is going to fail because that offense won't work in the SEC.

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Arkansas is not going to beat the top level teams at their own game, which is the style BB employs. You need someone more like Bobby sans the personality to win big at Arkansas.

His oline and dlines that he was putting together were filled with NFL players. Sounds to me like it's all working out in the end even if the recruiting websites say differently in the beginning.
Posted by Gladius Veritas
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:52 pm to
Well it really depends on what you think Bielema's style is.

A lot of people think it's just "run run run run", but Wisconsin has been statistically one of the most balanced offenses under his watch.

He's just better at running the ball than Petrino ever was
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:53 pm to
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A lot of people think it's just "run run run run", but Wisconsin has been statistically one of the most balanced offenses under his watch.



Yea. He is kinda a mix of your last two coaches. Nutt and Petrino.. One was heavy on the run, the other heavy on the pass.
Posted by Gladius Veritas
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:55 pm to
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the other heavy on the pass.



Petrino was nearly 50/50 as well

As I said, he was just better at one over the other
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:57 pm to
Petrino brought something to the table, a brilliance for playcalling and QB development, that nobody else could match.

There's not one area in which you can say BB is the best or close to the best at what he does in the sport. He's a good coach no doubt but I'm sorry I just don't think that's good enough for Arkansas. I think you need someone who is elite in some aspect and just ride that.
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Posted by Tigercoop40
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 4:59 pm to
He wanted to pass a lot more but found out he wouldn't win in the SEC if he couldn't run the ball. I think the big game that proved this to him was the 2010 Alabama game.

Arkansas in the game:
Passing, 357 yards
Rushing, 64 yards

Not being able to run the ball and kill the clock lead to yall losing. Mallett forced the ball and lead to 3 interceptions.

I think Bielema will be more balanced. And could be a great hire if he can get the right people in place for his system.
Posted by Gladius Veritas
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 5:03 pm to
Bielema is the one of the best at developing offensive lines, even rivaling Saban

That's why I think he could be even better than Petrino. We have two good QBs to work off of, and a good stable of running backs.

And he's certainly better than Petrino at coaching defense
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 5:07 pm to
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Draconian Sanctions



your about-face on Bielema has been hilarious. You post a thread praising the hire then in a matter of days start bashing him, just couldn't stand giving us credit for something, eh?
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 5:08 pm to
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Bielema is the one of the best at developing offensive lines, even rivaling Saban

That's why I think he could be even better than Petrino. We have two good QBs to work off of, and a good stable of running backs.

And he's certainly better than Petrino at coaching defense



I just don't see it as a good fit at all but I guess we'll see
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 5:09 pm to
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your about-face on Bielema has been hilarious. You post a thread praising the hire then in a matter of days start bashing him, just couldn't stand giving us credit for something, eh?


I dug a little deeper and the more I looked the more it became apparent what a bad fit it is
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