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re: Everyone will be running the spread within 7 years

Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:04 am to
Posted by rmn9799
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:04 am to
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So many of you don't understand that the Spread is more of an offensive philosophy rather than an actual formation like the Veer or Wing T. It's a philosophy designed to create space by using all of the field rather than just the middle. It can mean running plays out of 5 wide, shotgun 4 wide, shotgun 2 rb with 3 WRs, the Pistol, Double or Triple TE sets, etc. It can also mean a power running attack like Florida under Meyer, finesse running like Oregon under Chip Kelly, air raid like Leach, or balanced like Sumlin/Gundy. It can also mean both huddle and no-huddle offenses. The NFL is moving to basically everyone running some version of the Spread because it works and given equal talent, defenses still cannot stop it. A well run Spread offense entirely removes the pass rush because the ball is thrown within 2 seconds of the snap. Thus all sacks must be a result of coverage. The fact is many teams in the SEC are using this kind of philosophy more and more. Alabama has used no-huddle at times and they have extensively used the Shotgun as well because McCarron is a great QB. Even if everyone doesn't run a standard Spread offense, there is no reason teams won't switch to a no-huddle offense. It's simply too big of an advantage to ignore and keeps the defense on its heels. You could easily do this and run nothing but Power I formations.


It sounds like there is no such thing as a spread offense. It sounds like some made up name for people who don't understand football to talk about how awesome [insert name] pass happy team is.
Posted by Vander
Member since Oct 2012
323 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:37 am to
That's because the Spread is an offensive philosophy not a formation. It's a wholesale evolution of the offensive game, which is why offenses are putting up insane numbers in college and the NFL now.

You're right that it's used incorrectly all the time because people think it's like the Wishbone and such. It's not, it's an offensive system designed to create mismatches and create space while minimizing the pass rush. That's why it works so well.

Saban knows this and doesn't like it, but he's from the Belichick coaching tree and will do what he has to as the game changes. Like Belichick, he will exclusively run the Spread if that's what he has to do even though he is defensive minded because great coaches adapt and change. There is no reason why you can't have an overpowering defense with a Spread offense. I mean why put up only 30 points when you can put up 50 and still hold the other team to 10 or less?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46614 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:42 am to
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everyone except State will be having really good seasons. LSU is going to lose like 3 or 4 SECW games next year and look almost as silly as State does.


No. No we won't. When you have a defense built upon speed, the spread is shite.
Posted by joeytiger
Muh Mom's House
Member since Jul 2012
6037 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:47 am to
No, just no. I think it has been proven with the right defense, the spread can be shut down. See Oregon vs. LSU or A&M vs. LSU for quick reference. "Baylor has been a top 5 offense the last two years recruiting mostly 2-star athletes." and how has that worked out for them, even with RG3.

Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46614 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:48 am to
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quote: Sumlin is the first to run this offense at place that can consistently pull in top 10 recruiting classes.


Ha. He thinks ONE frickING top 10 class is consistent.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:51 am to
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John Maplethorpe


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Everyone will be running the spread within 7 years


Used to be the Wing-T was the dominant philosophy.

Then it was the Veer.

Then it was the forward pass.

Then it was option football.

Then it was Pro Sets.

Then it was run-and-shoot.

Then it was Pro-Sets.

Now its Spread Formations.

Look, I hate to tell you this, but its not the "future" because spread formation football has been around since Sid Gilman. Leach & Mumme grafted the BYU short-crossing routes & passing-game concepts into what they were running at Ohio Weslyan & Valdosta State.

Urban Meyer learned a lot of his offense from that as well as Joe Tiller at Purdue when he was playing with Drew Brees at QB.

(and with Sumlin coaching the WR's, I might add)

This stuff is cyclical. While I agree that putting a defender in space and requiring him to play with discipline is a basic concept that can allow you to run all sorts of traditional staple plays and have success, the bottom line is that the teams at the top of the food-chain (The Alabama's, Georgia's, LSU's, Florida's, etc) will still recruit more size per roster than other teams beneath them.

The sheer number of players that have the requisite size to negate your splits on the line while playing with athleticism and discipline thakns to superior coaching & development will still overwhelm a team running these offensive concepts as a base.

Yes, I agree that there are notable examples of these concepts having success. But Alabama sees no need to change from its basic concepts. Neither does UGA. Neither does LSU (while playcalling is another story).

These teams will always possess the speed, size & athleticism to negate an inherent advantage the Spread principles provide (reducing discpline via repeatedly asking defenders to play with discipline in space).

Even still, guys like Troy Calhoun & Paul Johnson are running triple-option/flexbone offenses in a time where the forward pass is valued moreso than in any other time period or era of CFB.

So no, everyone will not be running Spread in 7 years. Besides, the splits of the OL aren't what make it produce. Its what you do AFTER you spread the defense out.

On its basic level, this is another way to give OC's, QB's, playcallers & offenses in general a method to force the defense into showing its intentions prior to the snap, which provides an advantage.
Posted by rmn9799
Member since Dec 2012
221 posts
Posted on 1/18/13 at 9:55 am to
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Extensive list of offensive things


Did you forget West Coast Offense?
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