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Posted on 10/9/12 at 12:35 am to Lee County Tiger
Posted on 10/9/12 at 12:35 am to Lee County Tiger
Muschamp isn't coming back to Auburn. He would only ever consider it if Jacobs were gone and his pastor took over at AD. The Gruden, Carroll, Cowher talk needs to stop too. It just makes us look retarded.
NFL options are always attractive because you're talking about guys who see the pinnacle of football structure and organization. At universities with deep pockets such at Auburn, that organization and structure is made possible with our facilities and resources. However, it's not a clean transition.
I wont add any names to the pot just yet. I want to see how this season plays out first. However, I want to pit you guys a question. What would you guys need to see out of Van Gorder to give him the nod? I know a lot of you discount his personality to give him a chance in hell at becoming a head coach, but some of the better coaches in football, in any league, aren't exactly personable.
Just a thought
NFL options are always attractive because you're talking about guys who see the pinnacle of football structure and organization. At universities with deep pockets such at Auburn, that organization and structure is made possible with our facilities and resources. However, it's not a clean transition.
I wont add any names to the pot just yet. I want to see how this season plays out first. However, I want to pit you guys a question. What would you guys need to see out of Van Gorder to give him the nod? I know a lot of you discount his personality to give him a chance in hell at becoming a head coach, but some of the better coaches in football, in any league, aren't exactly personable.
Just a thought
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Posted on 10/9/12 at 12:43 am to Ross
As if my sig image didn't make you mad enough, just check my sig quote...
Rossy I don't even know you bub. We haven't traded opinions on subjects around here. It's not you, it's me.
Rossy I don't even know you bub. We haven't traded opinions on subjects around here. It's not you, it's me.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 12:51 am to TheJones
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However, I want to pit you guys a question. What would you guys need to see out of Van Gorder to give him the nod? I know a lot of you discount his personality to give him a chance in hell at becoming a head coach, but some of the better coaches in football, in any league, aren't exactly personable.
My only thing with him is that I'd rather not go down the same road of hiring someone with a less-than-respectable prior HC record again. That's kinda what got us into this mess to begin with (well, sorta).
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Muschamp isn't coming back to Auburn. He would only ever consider it if Jacobs were gone and his pastor took over at AD. The Gruden, Carroll, Cowher talk needs to stop too. It just makes us look retarded.
To me, Muschamp/Gruden/Carroll stuff was just pipe dream banter, but the thing about that is, who's out there that's doing well and that we honestly have a realistic shot of hiring?
That's what worries me about canning Chizik this season. If we get rid of him now, we very well could put ourselves in a worse position than we started in if we make the wrong hire at the wrong time.
We'll be fighting Arkansas, and possibly Tennessee for head coaches, and unless we clean house in the AD, I can't imagine anyone taking the AU job over one of those two. It's clear that we have too many people involved that have no business doing so, and until that changes I don't see how anyone can view this as an attractive job.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 12:53 am to TheJones
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Muschamp isn't coming back to Auburn
I thought this was a well known fact...
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What would you guys need to see out of Van Gorder to give him the nod?
It's not so much that he isn't personable, as much as it is I'm just not sold on him as an HC. He seems more like a John Chavis type to me than a Rhoads or Muschamp type.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:01 am to Lee County Tiger
I would rather give BVG a shot than give CGC another year to run us farther into the ground. He has our Defense turning around for the first time under Chizik and doing it without the help of an offense. Plus he has NFL experience and he is not soft on the players.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:08 pm to Rabern57
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Plus he has NFL experience
NFL experience seems to be a big boost at the coordinator/assistant levels, but less so at the head coach level. I.E. Weis, Sherman, Gailey, Shula, Croom. In fact the only coaches who have had success at the college level after leaving the NFL seem to be losers (at the NFL level) like Carroll, Saban, Spurrier and 2 of those were big names prior to going to the NFL.
Ultimately I think this is going to be useless discussion since I think Chiz is here for another year (for better or worse). We may have a new OC next year though.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:32 pm to AUin02
Fedora is a legit chance, coached at UF spent time recruiting down here at S. Miss. Known for his offenses he would help us right away
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:43 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
You post now makes me have to scroll all the way right to read other peoples posts.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:45 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
a-hole
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:54 pm to AUCE05
RAd the shite out of it.
I don't think BVG is the answer, but I'm curious to see how he would do as a HC. Defense is the only team we have right now that's working as a unit and progressing. Which is shocking because all of the talent seems to be on the other side of the ball. BVG is developing our guys and we're already seeing the benefits 5 games in. He took control, made tough decisions and is gaining player's respect. Again, just some food for thought.
I don't think BVG is the answer, but I'm curious to see how he would do as a HC. Defense is the only team we have right now that's working as a unit and progressing. Which is shocking because all of the talent seems to be on the other side of the ball. BVG is developing our guys and we're already seeing the benefits 5 games in. He took control, made tough decisions and is gaining player's respect. Again, just some food for thought.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:57 pm to TheJones
You need a balance of micro-management and letting the coordinators do their damn job.
You then need someone who can recruit and inspire players.
BVG hates recruiting iirc, being a reason why he was gone from georgia southern after a year.
To paraphrase Shug, "If they don't think an Auburn man can get the job done, they ought to shut the place down".
Having someone with ties to AU and a passion for returning AU to prominence is paramount. It's time to stop looking for pedigrees and find someone who's passion will transfer to the players.
Coordinators are for the Xs and Os shite. Head coaches are for motivation, discipline, and program pride. Plus, to go against the machine that currently resides in-state, the next HC is going to need one hell of an axe to grind to stay motivated.
I have no idea who would fit the criteria I listed, just thinking out loud.
You then need someone who can recruit and inspire players.
BVG hates recruiting iirc, being a reason why he was gone from georgia southern after a year.
To paraphrase Shug, "If they don't think an Auburn man can get the job done, they ought to shut the place down".
Having someone with ties to AU and a passion for returning AU to prominence is paramount. It's time to stop looking for pedigrees and find someone who's passion will transfer to the players.
Coordinators are for the Xs and Os shite. Head coaches are for motivation, discipline, and program pride. Plus, to go against the machine that currently resides in-state, the next HC is going to need one hell of an axe to grind to stay motivated.
I have no idea who would fit the criteria I listed, just thinking out loud.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:58 pm to AUtigerNOLA
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You post now makes me have to scroll all the way right to read other peoples posts.
My apologies. I edited.
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a-hole
Well, that's just rude.
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RAd the shite out of it.
I edited it 5 minutes before.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:00 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
Its no prob. I didnt RA. Not a big deal.Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:02 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
Yeah I RAd and then refreshed and saw the edit. Didn't RA to get you in trouble. I doubt you meant to do that
The Auburn man bullshite needs to stop. I'm sick of that line.
The Auburn man bullshite needs to stop. I'm sick of that line.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:03 pm to TheJones
Its easier to say than "someone who gives a shite about Auburn outside of the paycheck and potential job security" which is what I meant by it.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:04 pm to Tiguar
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Having someone with ties to AU and a passion for returning AU to prominence is paramount. It's time to stop looking for pedigrees and find someone who's passion will transfer to the players.
Would Dameyune Craig be out of the question here?
Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:05 pm to TheSandman
Agreed. We need to change the AD first and let them bring in their people after that. A good proven AD is the first step.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:06 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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NorthGwinnettTiger
I was joking
Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:07 pm to Tiguar
I know. I don't think Auburn ties are paramount. I understand the culture of Auburn. I lived there. And I'm pretty sure taking a break from the "auburn man" philosophy will fly. We severely limit ourselves when we are forced to go "inside the family".
Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:08 pm to AUtigerNOLA
I'm not sure why Dameyune was let go from USA before we played any football. To be honest I think it was political.
It's just my assessment with the task at hand. I actually wasn't basing anything off of any perceived culture at AU, just what qualities I thought would be best suited for the mountain to climb.
It takes one hell of a gung-ho individual to take on a dumpster fire that half the state doesn't want to see put out.
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I know. I don't think Auburn ties are paramount. I understand the culture of Auburn. I lived there. And I'm pretty sure taking a break from the "auburn man" philosophy will fly. We severely limit ourselves when we are forced to go "inside the family"
It's just my assessment with the task at hand. I actually wasn't basing anything off of any perceived culture at AU, just what qualities I thought would be best suited for the mountain to climb.
It takes one hell of a gung-ho individual to take on a dumpster fire that half the state doesn't want to see put out.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 3:17 pm
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