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Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:36 pm to CrimsonChin
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I expect the Hokies to be a part of the SEC in the not so distant future.
I just dont understand where they will get the money to leave. The highest revenue is 78 mil with their 7.5mil subsidy and the still went 8 million in debt this year. 2 of the other schools had subsidies above 10 mil and most were 7-8 mil, the schools were either in debt or barely broke even.
They would have to come up with half to a third(25mil) of their yearly revenue to leave.
Unless the ACC disbands or releases the schools from the contract(which I dont think will happen) I dont see them losing any schools. They will stay a basketball conference, it's their niche, just like the SEC is a football conference
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:36 pm to 228Tiger
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Where did I say they are very loyal basketball fans?
did you ever specify football?
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:37 pm to busey
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VT is not a good fan base. They're not loyal at all.
VT football didn't exist until MV7
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:37 pm to 228Tiger
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Where did I say they are very loyal basketball fans?
You didn't, but you also didn't specify we were talking about football, either so...
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:39 pm to mizzoukills
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NC State sucks
None of the North Carolina schools in the ACC do well in football. NCST simply sucks less. And of the three main NC schools they would be the most receptive to an SEC invite (Wake isn't in consideration). Plus you need some easier teams on the schedule.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:42 pm to busey
I thought the video in my first post would make it obvious i was talking football. But yeah, football
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:42 pm to NYCAuburn
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I just dont understand where they will get the money to leave. The highest revenue is 78 mil with their 7.5mil subsidy and the still went 8 million in debt this year. 2 of the other schools had subsidies above 10 mil and most were 7-8 mil, the schools were either in debt or barely broke even.
They would have to come up with half to a third(25mil) of their yearly revenue to leave.
People argued that A&M would not leave the Big 12 because they were also "broke" and therefore would not be able to
If there is a strong financial incentive to leave either the boosters will come up with teh money or even the league that is picking up the new team can help.
Heck, if the annual take in the new SEC were over 25 or 30 million per school (as is being alleged) the SEC could pick up the $20-25M tab in teh short term and then just take out 7-8 million for 3 years to cover the expense.
The bigger question in my mind is whether FSU and perhaps Clemson are indeed considering the Big 12 - if they are then I think teh SEC might go to 16 teams pretty quickly and the ACC will functionally crumble as a football conference
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:42 pm to Quidam65
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Plus you need some easier teams on the schedule.
I dont know why people, specifically SEC fans, continue to think conference expansion is about getting the best team possible. Its the best league in football, why would any sane individual work to make it more difficult?
conference expansion is about money - which usually equates to markets.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:42 pm to 228Tiger
So they'd be football only members?
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:43 pm to Quidam65
Just bring on VT and MIA and get it over with.
Even though I don't want them, some people have mentioned GT and adding GT could affect quite a few schools when it comes to recruiting too.
Even though I don't want them, some people have mentioned GT and adding GT could affect quite a few schools when it comes to recruiting too.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:46 pm to jcole4lsu
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fancy meeting you in this thread.
tards who know nothing about the commonwealth talk about their pipe dreams. My hokies friends love the ACC
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:49 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I'm just happy Mizzou part of the "in" crowd. I don't give a flip who else is accepted in from here on out.
Mizzou's in the SEC and that's all that matters to me.
Now, it's time to focus on winning the East this year...
Mizzou's in the SEC and that's all that matters to me.
Now, it's time to focus on winning the East this year...
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:50 pm to molsusports
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People argued that A&M would not leave the Big 12 because they were also "broke" and therefore would not be able to
They didnt have the buyout the ACC teams do and they generate quite a bit more revenue than any of the ACC teams and turning a profit or surplus
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If there is a strong financial incentive to leave either the boosters will come up with teh money or even the league that is picking up the new team can help.
The financial incentive is roughly 2-3 million a year(ACC teams to the big 12) from what has been said. That means it will take almost 10 years to recoup.
FSU is opperating at a fairly large loss and donations arent coming in. It is also pretty hard to ask boosters for 25 mil in donations with no brick and mortar to be gained out of it. Big boosters want buildings/suites/rooms with their names on them, They dont want to just pay fines/fees
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:52 pm to busey
So your logic is that because they are fairweather basketball fans, they don't belong..
My logic is that because they are good football fans/team, they belong..
What's the difference?
My logic is that because they are good football fans/team, they belong..
What's the difference?
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:56 pm to NYCAuburn
it doesn't seem like anyone pays close to the amount that they are supposed to when they leave a conference. When A&M was just "exploring options" the saber rattling from the Big 12 office was they would have to pay something like $28M to leave.
I don't know that I think FSU leaving for the Big 12 is a logical choice - the Big 12 is just not well run or even all that profitable compared to say the Big 10 or the SEC... but if they do leave I'd think it would only be after looking at the numbers and deciding that leaving makes sense because they will make a lot more money in the long term... an exit fee of $20-25M is perfect for the FSU's of the world. It is enough to limit the options of lesser name schools that might otherwise leave the conference but not so much that a name school like FSU couldn't decide to do it if such was in their best interest.
I don't know that I think FSU leaving for the Big 12 is a logical choice - the Big 12 is just not well run or even all that profitable compared to say the Big 10 or the SEC... but if they do leave I'd think it would only be after looking at the numbers and deciding that leaving makes sense because they will make a lot more money in the long term... an exit fee of $20-25M is perfect for the FSU's of the world. It is enough to limit the options of lesser name schools that might otherwise leave the conference but not so much that a name school like FSU couldn't decide to do it if such was in their best interest.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:57 pm to 228Tiger
I guess I just have higher standards than you. I don't want anyone else, but if it has to happen then I want loyal fans who stand behind their school. Not some pussy arse flip floppers.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 3:58 pm to molsusports
Big xii never had a set fee and it was open to interpretation by various parties. ACC saw those mistakes and (should have) made an ironclad exit fee.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 4:05 pm to NYCAuburn
I never thought about the Va Tech financial side of a possible move. I'm sure they could find a way to move if they really wanted in.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 4:05 pm to Jobu93
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Big xii never had a set fee and it was open to interpretation by various parties. ACC saw those mistakes and (should have) made an ironclad exit fee.
This ^^-- the ACC last year got nervous and locked everyone done. Like I said before FSU is not in a financial state right now to add any more expenses, they are broke and in debt. Yes they have a big football powerhouse but financialy they have fallen. They have said the move to the Big 12 moneywise only means 2-3 mill more a year. It does put them into a football centric conference from the basketball, and some boosters want that, but not a heavy majority.
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