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Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:46 am to Tornado Alley
Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:46 am to Tornado Alley
If there was more depth in Mississippi and louisiana both schools would be better. Lsu, like Texas get the premier talent from their state. Only difference is there are ALOT more sec caliber players in Texas than Louisiana.
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Posted on 4/18/12 at 11:48 am to RoscoeHarper
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The state of Oklahoma says ohai!
You talkin about that state that has 23% more people than us and borders Texas?
This post was edited on 4/18/12 at 11:50 am
Posted on 4/18/12 at 12:02 pm to big Tiger 1885
Too many colleges for a state with such a small population of 2,978,512 (2011 est):
Football only
Division 1-A
Ole Miss
Miss State
USM
D 1-AA
Jackson State
Miss Valley State
Alcorn State
D2
Delta State
D3
Mississippi College
Millsaps
NAIA
Belhaven
JUCO
Northwest CC
Northeast CC
Itawamba CC
Coahoma CC
Miss Delta CC
East Miss CC
Holmes CC
East Central CC
Hinds CC
CoLin CC
Pearl River CC
Jones County JC
Miss Gulf Coast CC
Southwest Miss CC
Football only
Division 1-A
Ole Miss
Miss State
USM
D 1-AA
Jackson State
Miss Valley State
Alcorn State
D2
Delta State
D3
Mississippi College
Millsaps
NAIA
Belhaven
JUCO
Northwest CC
Northeast CC
Itawamba CC
Coahoma CC
Miss Delta CC
East Miss CC
Holmes CC
East Central CC
Hinds CC
CoLin CC
Pearl River CC
Jones County JC
Miss Gulf Coast CC
Southwest Miss CC
Posted on 4/18/12 at 12:04 pm to Tds & Beer
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You talkin about that state that has 23% more people than us and borders Texas?
The latest study I could find was in 2011 and showed MS with 52 D1 signees, and OK with 44. Obviously bordering Texas is a nice advantage, but there is plenty of talent to be had in AL, MS, and LA.
Also for example, Starkville to Atlanta is a shorter drive than Stillwater to Dallas. And Starkville to Tampa is just a slightly longer drive than Stillwater to Houston.
This post was edited on 4/18/12 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 4/18/12 at 12:36 pm to attheua
Absolutely correct...Only 3m people in whole State....+ USM pulls their share of recruits.....
Posted on 4/18/12 at 12:55 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Ole Miss was thought of as a top program in the SEC until 1972 or so.
hmmmm. when did southern college football begin to integrate black players? there might be a strong correlation to the decline of the OM program.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:03 pm to winyahpercy
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hmmmm. when did southern college football begin to integrate black players? there might be a strong correlation to the decline of the OM program.
Yes....Southern college football integrating is exactly why the Ole Miss football program declined.....as well as for all the other college football programs in the South who also integrated at that point.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:07 pm to big Tiger 1885
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except in the lat 50's earlly 60's for OM
Um, I think Johnny Vaught had some good teams for more than just the late 50s and early 60s.
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The Rebels were also among the winningest programs in the country under Vaught during the 1950s and 1960s. From 1950 to 1959, Ole Miss posted an 80–21–5 record (.778 winning percentage). The 77.8 winning percentage was third to only Oklahoma and Miami (OH) during that decade. In the 1960s, Vaught guided the Rebels to a 77–25–6 record and a 74.0 winning percentage, which was the ninth best during that decade
Top 10 program over a 20 year period is a little better than you described, dude.
The reason older LSU fans hate Ole Miss with such a passion is because they were good for more than just a few years.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:11 pm to winyahpercy
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when did southern college football begin to integrate black players? there might be a strong correlation to the decline of the OM program.
That had something to do with it but probably had more to do with Johnny Vaught's departure as head coach in 1970. He came back briefly in 1973 but that was a minor footnote in an otherwise storied career at Ole Miss.
Alabama didn't exactly have the rosiest race relations in the 1960s but Bear Bryant stayed on until 1982. Not saying Vaught = Bryant but Vaught was far and away the best coach Ole Miss has ever known. No other coach before or since Vaught even comes close to approaching his winning percentage (.745).
Here are the 3 coaches that immediately succeeded Vaught:
Billy Kinard
Ken Cooper
Steve Sloan
All of them were horrible and never had a winning season at a Division I-A school after leaving Ole Miss. Though Sloan went on to coach Duke (where he sucked something awful) and was succeeded by Steve Spurrier.
Shitty coaches in the 70s doomed Ole Miss far more than their legacy of racism did.
This post was edited on 4/18/12 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:14 pm to BrerTiger
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:15 pm to big Tiger 1885
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Ole Miss and Ms State
Two worst overall athletic programs in the SEC.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:27 pm to BrerTiger
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That had something to do with it but probably had more to do with Johnny Vaught's departure as head coach in 1970. He came back briefly in 1973 but that was a minor footnote in an otherwise storied career at Ole Miss. Alabama didn't exactly have the rosiest race relations in the 1960s but Bear Bryant stayed on until 1982. Not saying Vaught = Bryant but Vaught was far and away the best coach Ole Miss has ever known. No other coach before or since Vaught even comes close to approaching his winning percentage (.745).
Spot on. Vaught had to retire because his doctor advised him to do so because of health issues. I think he was just in his early 60s when he retired. It's a damn shame too, because he lived to be 96 and played golf nearly every day up until his death. He might have had another 20 years or so of coaching in the tank, and who knows how things would have turned out had he stayed. At the least we wouldn't be dealing with the pest that is MSU to the degree that we have been experiancing.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:28 pm to BrerTiger
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That had something to do with it but probably had more to do with Johnny Vaught's departure as head coach in 1970. He came back briefly in 1973 but that was a minor footnote in an otherwise storied career at Ole Miss.
Alabama didn't exactly have the rosiest race relations in the 1960s but Bear Bryant stayed on until 1982. Not saying Vaught = Bryant but Vaught was far and away the best coach Ole Miss has ever known. No other coach before or since Vaught even comes close to approaching his winning percentage (.745).
You get it.
I never said it had nothing to do with it....but some throw out "integration" as the main/only reason.
Decades of ineptitude is the main reason for our fall from power. Our AD going against Vaught's recommendation for his replacement pretty much started the whole decline. Then look towards our AD back in the 80's who quite literally hated spending any money on athletics. The administration truly wanted to mirror our school after an Ivy league one and didn't give a shite about sports.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:30 pm to pankReb
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The administration truly wanted to mirror our school after an Ivy league one and didn't give a shite about sports.
That sure did get us a long way academically though.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:30 pm to pankReb
vaught was a hell of a coach and his record reflects that. and the sec in the fifties and early sixities was a rough place with guys like shug jordan, bear bryant, bobby dodd, and paul dietzel (all were awarded some form of national championship inte fifties and sixties)
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:31 pm to OBReb6
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Spot on. Vaught had to retire because his doctor advised him to do so because of health issues. I think he was just in his early 60s when he retired. It's a damn shame too, because he lived to be 96 and played golf nearly every day up until his death. He might have had another 20 years or so of coaching in the tank, and who knows how things would have turned out had he stayed. At the least we wouldn't be dealing with the pest that is MSU to the degree that we have been experiancing.
Now back to my usual programming:
Go to Hell, Ole Miss, Go to Hell!
(I'm one of those older LSU fans who will always hate Ole Miss no matter how bad y'all are. Doesn't mean I'm completely ignorant of history and reality though. And I hope Ole Miss is good again so we can ruin your season again like we did in 2003. The victories are so much sweeter...)
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:32 pm to BrerTiger
And I hope you burn in hell as well
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:33 pm to pankReb
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Our AD going against Vaught's recommendation for his replacement pretty much started the whole decline.
Just out of curiousity, who did Vaught recommend?
Because, yeah, the list of coaching hires from the 70s and early 80s is truly (in hindsight) a train wreck of ineptitude.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:34 pm to OBReb6
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And I hope you burn in hell as well
Awesome.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 1:34 pm to BrerTiger
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Just out of curiousity, who did Vaught recommend?
Bob Tyler, I believe.
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