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Secretariat/ Tainted Triple Crown?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:10 pm
On the 50th anniversary of Secretariat’s impressive Belmont run I’ve been reading up on him.
Came across this article :
It’s worth noting the horse had a tell tale symptom of steroid use: an abnormally large heart
Could it be that people are afraid to face the truth since Secretariat represented hope during the trouble times of Watergate, the Vietnam War (ending), and 1st Wave Feminism?
Came across this article :
quote:
Speculation, allegations, rumor, and hearsay from Jim Squires in his new book, “Headless Horsemen,” reviewed by Ray Kerrison in the Wall Street Journal:
Mr Squires believes steroids were first used in racing in the 1950s. He makes some startling claims about earlier horse-racing champions. He alleges that 1973 Triple Crown winner Secretariat may have raced on steroids. “There are oldtimers who insist that even the magnificent physical stature of the great Secretariat was not all genetic and his early problem settling mares” — that is, breeding — “may have been a by-product of steroids.”
It’s worth noting the horse had a tell tale symptom of steroid use: an abnormally large heart
quote:
The average Thoroughbred's heart weighs about 8.5 lbs. Secretariat's heart weighed nearly three times that number!
Could it be that people are afraid to face the truth since Secretariat represented hope during the trouble times of Watergate, the Vietnam War (ending), and 1st Wave Feminism?
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:15 pm to Fear TheSpear
Who cares it still happened
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:17 pm to Fear TheSpear
Were steroids illegal then?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:19 pm to Fear TheSpear
quote:
Could it be that people are afraid to face the truth since Secretariat represented hope during the trouble times of Watergate, the Vietnam War (ending), and 1st Wave Feminism?
Obviously America was in shambles
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:20 pm to Fear TheSpear
quote:
the veterinarian who performed the necropsy, Thomas Swerczek, head pathologist at the University of Kentucky, did not weigh Secretariat's heart, but stated, "We just stood there in stunned silence. We couldn't believe it. The heart was perfect. There were no problems with it. It was just this huge engine.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:21 pm to Fear TheSpear
I'm a huge Secretariat fan so I'm biased, but if they doped him to the point of tripling the size of his heart, then his cardiac function would have been abysmal. Steroids can cause an enlarged/thickened/dilated left ventricle which can't relax and fill with blood to then pump it out. This results in heart failure.
I guess I'm saying if his heart was that big because they doped him then he also would've had to have heart failure and therefore, unable to perform. I suppose the heart changes could have occurred after his racing days were done but he probably would've just rolled over and died at that point.
I suspect he was just a freak horse with a giant stature and a big arse heart.
I guess I'm saying if his heart was that big because they doped him then he also would've had to have heart failure and therefore, unable to perform. I suppose the heart changes could have occurred after his racing days were done but he probably would've just rolled over and died at that point.
I suspect he was just a freak horse with a giant stature and a big arse heart.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:33 pm to Fear TheSpear
Couldn’t care less.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:51 pm to Fear TheSpear
lol, guy has zero facts, just throwing shite against the wall, knowing NO ONE can prove the horse wasnt.
trying to sell his shitty book
Favorite line:
trying to sell his shitty book
Favorite line:
quote:
“may have been a by-product of steroids.”
Posted on 6/10/23 at 2:38 pm to Fear TheSpear
Im sure if he was juiced up so was every other horse.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:07 pm to Fear TheSpear
I do not care. That single race was one of the top sporting events Inhave ever seen.
Pretty much my definition of Perfection. That horse was a freak
Pretty much my definition of Perfection. That horse was a freak
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:15 pm to Fear TheSpear
Why write a book 50 yrs later. I may have shite in my diaper when I was a baby but 50 yrs later who give a shite
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:17 pm to Fear TheSpear
quote:
his early problem settling mares” — that is, breeding
10 didn’t like banging 8s
Should be an inspiration to us all
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:16 pm to Fear TheSpear
quote:
since Secretariat represented hope during the trouble times of Watergate, the Vietnam War (ending), and 1st Wave Feminism?
I don't even know what this is supposed to mean?
Was Secretariat a liberal hero? Was he for feminism because his owner was a woman? Or was he just a horse of course?
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:23 pm to Fear TheSpear
quote:
“may have been a by-product of steroids.”
"Could it be that some people may believe?"
"Others think so."
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:35 pm to Fear TheSpear
I actually tracked down the book and found a preview in Google Books where I could search it, and while this guy has pretty good credentials as far as horse racing goes, this stuff about Secretariat comes across as unsourced gossip, plus there’s another reference in the book where he admits that some of the people saying this had tried to mate mares with him and were pissed off that it didn’t take or produce Secretariat II, like that was a sure thing or something.
Let Big Red alone …
Let Big Red alone …
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:51 pm to Fear TheSpear
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:02 pm to Fear TheSpear
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:03 pm to Fear TheSpear
Big Reds heart weighed about 19 pounds. Sham has a similarly large heart. They also shared a grandfather, I believe.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:58 pm to Fear TheSpear
Horse was likely as juiced up as Arnold Schwarzenegger was at the time. Who cares? That horse obviously had insane genetics and pedigree and all the PED’s in the world won’t turn anyone on here into an elite athlete. That’s not how it works.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:54 am to Fear TheSpear
Let's see, you offer is this as a possible corroborating point:
Let's see, how would we get that information. A necropsy
Hmmm. Something seems off here. Not only does steroid use sometimes cause heart enlargement, it does it in part by causing thickening of the muscle which will actually cause the efficacy of the heart to deteriorate, pumping blood much less efficiently. Yet the vet seemed to think the heart was perfect.
quote:
The average Thoroughbred's heart weighs about 8.5 lbs. Secretariat's heart weighed nearly three times that number!
Let's see, how would we get that information. A necropsy
quote:
the veterinarian who performed the necropsy, Thomas Swerczek, head pathologist at the University of Kentucky, did not weigh Secretariat's heart, but stated, "We just stood there in stunned silence. We couldn't believe it. The heart was perfect. There were no problems with it. It was just this huge engine.
Hmmm. Something seems off here. Not only does steroid use sometimes cause heart enlargement, it does it in part by causing thickening of the muscle which will actually cause the efficacy of the heart to deteriorate, pumping blood much less efficiently. Yet the vet seemed to think the heart was perfect.
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