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re: Succession Alert
Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:38 pm to tigerpimpbot
Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:38 pm to tigerpimpbot
I love this show and enjoy listening to several different recap podcasts about it. But I feel like when it comes to Shiv in particular, I just don’t see what they see. Some of them talk about her as the flawed heroine of the whole thing and it seems like we’re not watching the same show.
I like the character and the actress has done a great job but the show is telling us she’s just as irredeemable as the rest of them.
In my opinion, Logan was a legend but a monster, the Roy boys are ultimately posers at best but are criminals/broken men in reality. But Shiv might be worse, because she’s just as clueless from a C-Suite leadership perspective but is completely sanctimonious and superior to such an irredeemable point that she’s incapable of ever noticing she’s the most inexperienced and ghoulish person in her world.
I like the character and the actress has done a great job but the show is telling us she’s just as irredeemable as the rest of them.
In my opinion, Logan was a legend but a monster, the Roy boys are ultimately posers at best but are criminals/broken men in reality. But Shiv might be worse, because she’s just as clueless from a C-Suite leadership perspective but is completely sanctimonious and superior to such an irredeemable point that she’s incapable of ever noticing she’s the most inexperienced and ghoulish person in her world.
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Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:47 pm to Lunchbox48
I can't believe the way she no sold Tom to everyone in the room. Just wild. Then the tables turn on her and she's in hysterics.
These selfish idiots have no idea what it's like playing with no safety net. Tom isn't innocent but he sees the board, knows his position and reacts as the board changes.
Shiv has no idea what it's like to sing for your supper. None. In the end, she gets cut out, she still bags some money and goes home happy but disappointed.
Tom..and even Greg...have nothing.
These selfish idiots have no idea what it's like playing with no safety net. Tom isn't innocent but he sees the board, knows his position and reacts as the board changes.
Shiv has no idea what it's like to sing for your supper. None. In the end, she gets cut out, she still bags some money and goes home happy but disappointed.
Tom..and even Greg...have nothing.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 7:33 am to Lunchbox48
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love this show and enjoy listening to several different recap podcasts about it. But I feel like when it comes to Shiv in particular, I just don’t see what they see. Some of them talk about her as the flawed heroine of the whole thing and it seems like we’re not watching the same show.
Welcome to 2023
Posted on 5/8/23 at 7:36 am to Lunchbox48
I hope somehow Shiv ends up a homeless broke beggar. I hate the character so much.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:53 am to Lunchbox48
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I love this show and enjoy listening to several different recap podcasts about it. But I feel like when it comes to Shiv in particular, I just don’t see what they see. Some of them talk about her as the flawed heroine of the whole thing and it seems like we’re not watching the same show.
This my take on Shiv from a more feminist (I know that’s going to trigger some folks here, but frick it) perspective.
I think there’s some things that can be simultaneously true about Shiv:
- She can be an absolutely horrible person and has been awful to Tom (while Tom’s not perfect). She deserved everything he said to her in that argument.
- She should’ve stayed a political analyst. And taken up Gil’s offer for a potential cabinet spot. She is very good at that and should’ve accepted that’s where her strength was.
- I don’t think she’s any more horrible than the others, we’re just more invested in hating her because Tom is more likable than most and her personal life is playing out on a larger scale for us than any of the others because of Tom’s position with the company. They’re all horrible people.
- She could’ve been very good on the business end had she followed her Dad’s plan for her to “train” within the company for multiple years. She has enough savvy and intelligence that she could’ve developed that in the business realm.
- She’s desperate for someone to love her. Much like Roman (and Kendall to a degree) she chased her Dad’s potential acceptance and approval. And that’s a crutch for her.
ETA: I don’t see her as a heroine at all. I see her as a woman who is fighting for position but is woefully under tooled because of her own decisions and to a degree the lack of her own Dad putting her in a position to succeed. I actually appreciate that she isn’t anywhere near perfect.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 9:56 am
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