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no one is arguing that BI has failed to be a consistent defender in this league, literally that was the thesis of this discussion that you attempted to interject into multiple times to try and argue

All I've ever said is that he needs to try more and he'll be good enough, but I don't know if he will get to that point because he hasn't been able to do that yet 5+ years in. You didn't like that thought.

What I argued is your claim that he was a plus defender during his time in LA, which just isn't true on any level other than selecting a tiny sample of games during one season.

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comparison with Curry was apt

It's low key wild if your main point is that Ingram's problem is he needs to try. Curry has always tried on defense. I'd love to have 2013-2015 Curry effort in Brandon Ingram's body.

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they need/needed to embrace it in order to raise the level of their team’s ceilings,

Curry played huge minutes on a top 3 defense and the best defense in the league for 2 different coaches and won a title during the time you specifically mentioned. How much higher do you think a ceiling can get?

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GT put effort into his threes, he was consistently making them at a 40% clip, but for some reason he refuses to take them or does so with no effort. GT absolutely does try to take them and puts effort into it, he’s just not good

Glad we agree that doing something only a handful of times is not enough to be good at something.

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When he puts in the effort he can be a good to elite defender…he just lacks giving consistent effort and focus

Effort and focus:defense as form and touch:3pt shooting

Fundamentally, if you don't give consistent effort and focus, you are a bad defensive player. Maybe that's changing now for Ingram, as that link I shared argues. I hope so. Would be great for him and the team.