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Why do yall think promoting from within will help with offense?

Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:23 am
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:23 am
Seems many think that moving Craig or Bentley to QB coach will help. What is the logic behind this? These guys are already there now, are they not allowed to give input into the gameplan? Never seen any thing from either coach that proves this move would be helpful.

We need fresh blood.
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:25 am to
Are you replacing Gus?

He calls the plays. He is ultimately responsible for all the offensive woes or success.

My gripe against Gus is he does not seem to adjust well in games. Yesterday's loss was on him.

Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:26 am to
I can't help but think how all this shite goes away if we had Muschamp last year or if we start White all season long this year.
Posted by atlau
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:36 am to
Gus gets another season period.

That gives him time to either get a juco qb or let White (or Queen or whoever) get a full offseason and spring/fall camps to see what we have. If White had been starting all year and been healthy we'd be in a different situation. Those who say Gus should have seen what was coming with JJ are wrong. You can look across all sports and see good players who go mental and never recover. Look at Rick Ankiel. Also, if JJ was going against our d in practice there's no reason not to believe he looked like a world beater. Our D has made HUGE strides over the year.

Next year we'll have K. Johnson, Barber and Jovon. Not sure how o line and receivers will be, but if he can't do it then, knowing exactly what he has, then perhaps it's time for a change.
Posted by Warfarer
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:41 am to
quote:

Seems many think that moving Craig or Bentley to QB coach will help. What is the logic behind this? These guys are already there now, are they not allowed to give input into the gameplan? Never seen any thing from either coach that proves this move would be helpful.

We need fresh blood.


Not sure if this is a response to a couple of us on the Rant or not but here is my take on the situation: I just don't see a way that you keep Craig around if Lashlee is gone and you don't give him a chance. We knew that Co-OC was nothing but a title but eventually you have to play the card.

I don't know enough about Bentley to say anything about him other than I have heard a lot of chatter that he might move up to replace Lashlee if he is shown the door.

People need to think about this: we are really close to being a really good team. A few tweaks on offense, more consistent play calling and more playing to our strengths and the offense is scoring over 30 a game again. A little more depth, a solid pass rush and more consistent run support from linebackers and the defense is a top 30 to 40 defense again. That is probably our ceiling on defense since we won't get top recruits in a tough conference so stop hoping that we can put together a top 10 defense in the country.
Posted by beatbammer
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:46 am to
Those who say they aren't/weren't surprised by the utter disaster that has become Jeremy Johnson are flat out lying.

We ALL thought he was going to easily take a step up to the next level.

And we ALL were oh so very wrong.

I'm willing to bet that Malzahn and Lashlee are just as or even more shocked than any of us are. "Oh, but the coaches should know!" You can NEVER know until the mantle is laid upon the QBs shoulders and the bullets start to fly. The fact that JJ couldn't/can't carry the weight and has an utter inability to stand tall (at 6-4/240) while the bullets are flying around him?... smdh.
Posted by Rig
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:47 am to
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We need fresh blood.
I agree and I'm still fine with Malzahn calling plays because we've seen it work in the past. What I want is an OC that can challenge Malzahn's position during the week and bring something new to the offense. Whether that be someone from a completely different offensive philosophy or whatever.
Posted by wartiger2004
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:48 am to
Agreed
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:50 am to
Craig has spent time under Jimbo, who we all know is a pro style coach. Unlike most, he has also played the position at a high level. He can be this guy.
Posted by beatbammer
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:52 am to
Dameyune has coached under Nick Saban (Jimbo Fisher OC), Joey Jones, coached *and* played under Jimbo Fisher, I have no doubt he could put a more sophisticated spin in the passing game if he was allowed to.

Would/will he ever be allowed to?
Posted by AUTiger45
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:54 am to
wtf does input with the gameplan do to fix Jeremy Johnson's shitty footwork? it's obvious from CGM's body of work he does not know how to teach a QB solid fundamentals of the position.
Posted by Rig
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 12:03 pm to
Why would he not be allowed to now as Co-OC/WR Coach?
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

m willing to bet that Malzahn and Lashlee are just as or even more shocked than any of us are. "Oh, but the coaches should know!" You can NEVER kn


The difference is they are paid very well to know these things. Most fans did not know because Gus wants to close practices to fans and media like what he is doing is a national secret.

They had to see this shite in practice. Remember the reports that we could only score against fieldgoals against our shitty defense?
Posted by beatbammer
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:42 pm to
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Why would he not be allowed to now as Co-OC/WR Coach?


I would assume, from the looks of it, that Gus insists on the style of passing game that fits into what he believes his offense needs, not taking what DC knows and using it.
Posted by jrljr
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:54 pm to
Have any of you watched the Bentley kid play? He is a machine. Lattimore was a pretty good player as well IIRC. He must not be too bad...

Go ahead and chuckle, but Tyler Queen is the closest thing to Tim Tebow I have seen since the man himself. Niebuhr watched TT in HS, and at UF on a daily basis. He said TT might be a better runner, but TQ is a better passer. I have no doubt that he can lead this team. I have seen him play numerous times, and was more and more impressed each time. So he has a "Bro-humble" look about him? Just win baby!

But what do I know?
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:58 pm to
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wtf does input with the gameplan do to fix Jeremy Johnson's shitty footwork? it's obvious from CGM's body of work he does not know how to teach a QB solid fundamentals of the positio


Considering how poorly coached the WR corp currently is, what gives hope that Craig could fix this?
Posted by jrljr
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:00 pm to
Because Rhett won't allow it. I have mentioned this before. Craig and Grimes have both felt like they could help. Only to have Rhett shut it down and/or ignore it after the fact.

Gus should have forced Rhett's hand last year. Instead, he let it continue. I have been a big Gus fan, but I need to see him take the same approach with the offense, that he took with the defense last year. Otherwise, I will get off at the next stop! Even if it's the 5-points MARTA station!
Posted by AUTiger45
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:21 pm to
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Considering how poorly coached the WR corp currently is, what gives hope that Craig could fix this?


his pedigree as a QB...which begs the question, what exactly would he know about the fundamentals of WR. I dont know that he would fix it but it stands to reason he would be better suited to coach what he knew from experience. just my dumb arse opinion anyway. the next paycheck I pull as a coach at any level will be my first. I am just frustrated as hell with the amount of talent we waste year in & year out.
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 8:37 pm to
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Because Rhett won't allow it. I have mentioned this before. Craig and Grimes have both felt like they could help. Only to have Rhett shut it down and/or ignore it after the fact. 



I've never seen you post this before.

So Rhett is the new BBQ bunch.
Posted by ChexMix
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 9:04 pm to
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Why do yall think promoting from within will help with offense?
if Gus lets his OC make the calls, then DC should be given a shot, as with Bentley.

If gus is calling the plays, were fuct anyways.
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