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Which of you Ballers Laid Down Some Cabbage..

Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:46 pm
Posted by RedMustang
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Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:46 pm
on AU to win the NC? I just read that 14 people made an offseason bet at the Las Vegas Hilton sports book at 1,000-1 odds that Auburn would win the BCS Championship.
Even a $10 bet would be looking real good right now.
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Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:47 pm to
Big Sur did
Posted by LanierSpots
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Posted on 12/3/13 at 5:07 pm to
Big Sur did


He is buying the next round

Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 12/3/13 at 5:09 pm to
He better be setting up a secr tailgate tent next year.
Posted by rocketc
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/3/13 at 5:25 pm to
IDK but I'm up 13k on Auburn this year, and 8 of that is thanks to Chris Davis and 2 of that is thanks to Ricardo Louis.
Posted by Big_Sur
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/3/13 at 6:43 pm to
Posted by RedMustang
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:52 pm to
Legit question Big Sur. Are you or have you considered hedging your bet? For example, you could lay a grand or two on Missouri to win outright. (I know that would be hard to stomach) Then if AU wins, you bet $3-5 thousand on OSU. If Mich. St. wins, you could bet $10,000 or so on FSU in the NC. This way you'd be guaranteed to win money. (I know I haven't included the possibility of Duke winning)
Or do you just let it ride and hope for the best? It seems like a shame not to win SOMETHING from your bet.
Posted by rocketc
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/3/13 at 11:27 pm to
I don't want to speak for Sur, but IMO you're devaluing your odds quite a bit by trying to hedge bets.

What do you do under your scenario if you bet 2k against Auburn on Missouri, and they lose. Then you bet 3-5k on OSU, and you lose that. Then you have lost 5-7k to try to protect what, some arbitrary amount from a few hundred dollar bet?

I have done that before by trying to "hedge" bets and it's never worked well for me.

Posted by rocketc
Member since Oct 2013
270 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 11:34 pm to
Upon further consideration, if one were to hedge bets at this point, it should not be done on a per game basis.

You'd get the best odds to bet for Nat'l champs now, and the bet you wanted earlier has huge odds.

You could get decent odds on OSU, FSU, UAT, and Mizzou right now. I think you'd be better off looking at who can make that game and place some offsetting bets if you wanted to hedge at this point, but I still think that's a bad idea in general but mathematically sound.
Posted by RedMustang
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:35 am to
quote:

Posted by rocketc I don't want to speak for Sur, but IMO you're devaluing your odds quite a bit by trying to hedge bets. What do you do under your scenario if you bet 2k against Auburn on Missouri, and they lose. Then you bet 3-5k on OSU, and you lose that. Then you have lost 5-7k to try to protect what, some arbitrary amount from a few hundred dollar bet? I have done that before by trying to "hedge" bets and it's never worked well for me.


I just threw those amounts out, and they can be easily changed. You aren't really trying to protect an arbitrary amount, you have a potential $50,000 ticket which cost $100. There are several ways to guarantee that you'd make SOME money. It would be nice to at least make enough to pay for an Auburn bowl game trip.
Posted by RedMustang
Member since Oct 2011
6851 posts
Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:45 am to
quote:

You could get decent odds on OSU, FSU, UAT, and Mizzou right now. I think you'd be better off looking at who can make that game and place some offsetting bets if you wanted to hedge at this point, but I still think that's a bad idea in general but mathematically sound.


Here are the current odds on each team winning the NC:

ODDS TO WIN 2013-14 BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP (1/6/14)
Team Odds
Florida State 1/3
Auburn 7/2
Ohio State 4/1
Missouri 8/1
Alabama 75/1
Posted by rjbigfish
Member since Jan 2008
199 posts
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:22 am to
I actually own one of the LVH tickets. I have $5 on Auburn at 1000:1.

I had a $10 ticket at 100:1 in 2010 that paid $1010 for the win. I also had a $10 ticket at 100:1 in 2011 and 2012. Funny thing is I do not buy the tickets, I have a radiologist that I work with that goes to Vegas 4 or 5 times a year and always buys about $300-$400 in future book tickets for various sporting events and gives them away to employees.

I have done very well with him, he bought me the Auburn ticket, I also had Tony Stewart to win the Sprint Cup a few years ago when he won for $25 at 30:1. I had Bubba Watson to win the Masters for $20 at 40:1. I had Butler to win the Final Four for $20 at 60:1 in 2010 when they lost in the finals to Duke so that was a very close call.

In March when he gave me the ticket and he only bet $5 I jokingly asked him if he lost faith
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:28 am to
If you have a guy going back to Vegas, you should hedge your bet by taking Mizzou, OSU and FSU to win their games in appropriate amounts. Guarantee you some green
Posted by rjbigfish
Member since Jan 2008
199 posts
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:30 am to
To answer the hedging question, in 2010 I didn't hedge at all. This year since the ticket I have is worth so much more I gave this a lot of thought over the last few weeks as to what I would do if we made the title game. Well we haven't even made the game yet but the odds on us winning have come down enough that I was able to sell half share of my ticket for $500. This sounds like I am giving up a lot but the way I look at it is I have $5 on Auburn at 500:1 which is still crazy value. I now win $2500 if Auburn wins the title and a buddy of mine also gets $2500. He was wanting to bet a few hundred at 4:1 but was able to get a bit more value from me and get them at 5:1 so its a win win.

I almost never hedge unless the value of the ticket is so much. If I owned the $100 at 50:1 I would try and find a way to at least get $1000 out of it if Auburn doesn't win. You would be silly not to and if Auburn wins you would still be winning a substantial amount of $$
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37704 posts
Posted on 12/4/13 at 8:11 am to
So you have 500 in the bank and a potential at 2500 more? Man you hedged the right way

Luck you found a guy trying to get in on that bet
Posted by Hamstonian
Birmingham
Member since Oct 2010
370 posts
Posted on 12/4/13 at 8:29 am to
quote:

ODDS TO WIN 2013-14 BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP (1/6/14)
Team Odds
Florida State 1/3
Auburn 7/2
Ohio State 4/1
Missouri 8/1


Are these odds a GIANT slap in the face of tOSU? It is basically saying that Auburn has a better chance of winning even though AU needs tOSU to lose for AU to even get a shot.
Posted by rjbigfish
Member since Jan 2008
199 posts
Posted on 12/4/13 at 8:46 am to
quote:

So you have 500 in the bank and a potential at 2500 more? Man you hedged the right way


Thats correct, I get $500 if we don't win the championship and I get $2500 if we do.

As far as the odds posted earlier, those are the vegas insider odds but not the odds you see at the sports books currently. Currently they are around

FSU 1:3
OSU 3.5:1-4:1
Auburn 4:1-5:1
Missouri 8:1-12:1
Bama 30:1-75:1

The LVH odds as of yesterday were

FSU 1:3
OSU 7:2
Auburn 5:1
Missouri 12:1
Bama 60:1
Posted by N97883
New Dehli Forsyth GA
Member since Nov 2013
8062 posts
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:22 am to
A buddy of mine was in Vegas back in July and put $20 down on Auburn to win the national championship.

I want to say he said it was a $4,000 payoff. I'm not sure. I'll have to ask. I told him after he got back "aw I wish I'd known, I'd had you put $20 down for me too." Just for fun.

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