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What is wrong with our defense
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:12 am
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:12 am
Leave the bullshite outside please.
What is wrong with our defense? Our pass rush isn't great but our secondary seems awful.
Are our passing woes solely on our secondary? Watching parts of the LSU/Bama game last night and seeing their secondaries close on slants and make hits at point of the catch, why are we unable to be remotely close to the receiver when he catches the ball? Pass rush won't help us when a team throws slants on us and gains nearly 10 yards a play.
Are our problems schemes, coaching, players not doing what they are supposed to do or a combination of everything?
What is wrong with our defense? Our pass rush isn't great but our secondary seems awful.
Are our passing woes solely on our secondary? Watching parts of the LSU/Bama game last night and seeing their secondaries close on slants and make hits at point of the catch, why are we unable to be remotely close to the receiver when he catches the ball? Pass rush won't help us when a team throws slants on us and gains nearly 10 yards a play.
Are our problems schemes, coaching, players not doing what they are supposed to do or a combination of everything?
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:15 am to Warfarer
Out of position, take bad angles, miss tackles, no pressure on QB from the line, no pressure on WRs from the secondary. AWFUL 1st half team.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:16 am to Warfarer
Bad tackling makes everything look worse than it is.
If we make the tackles we whiff and improve the pass rush a little bit, we have a decent defense.
If we make the tackles we whiff and improve the pass rush a little bit, we have a decent defense.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:18 am to Warfarer
IMO, the lack of pressure from the front four is a problem. Our blitzes come aren't disguised very well and Robenson Therezie is a liability in pass coverage. He can't guard a soul when left one on one. Mincy is also awful, so that doesn't help either.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:19 am to thirdlawson
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Out of position, take bad angles, miss tackles,
is this on the coaches or on the players that we have?
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no pressure on QB from the line,
Losing Lawson helps with this but how do we not have more than one pass rusher on an entire team?
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no pressure on WRs from the secondary.
Again, is this coaches, lack of players being covered or schemes?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:21 am to Tiguar
It seems like there isn't ebough pressure up front. If we just rush 4, the OL easily picks them up. To put pressure in the QB, we have to blitz. If we blitz, we leave our DBs in man to man and our DBs are largely under performing. Everyone in D can be playing better, but it seems like we have a gaping hole in the middle.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:22 am to Warfarer
It is several things.
1) Pass rush. We don't have a 4 man pass rush.
2) Because of 1, we have to blitz but we aren't very good at blitzing. Frost and Cass both are great in run support and Frost isn't bad covering but neither can blitz.
3) Corners are small, but because of 1 and 2 we have to lock them up in man coverage which is hard enough as it is but made more difficult because of our size.
1) Pass rush. We don't have a 4 man pass rush.
2) Because of 1, we have to blitz but we aren't very good at blitzing. Frost and Cass both are great in run support and Frost isn't bad covering but neither can blitz.
3) Corners are small, but because of 1 and 2 we have to lock them up in man coverage which is hard enough as it is but made more difficult because of our size.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:22 am to Warfarer
The secondary doesn't play smart. There is a talent issue there, especially with depth, but the biggest problem is the consistent busted plays we see all the time. Missed assignments, bad angles tackling, all around it's just not a good unit. The coaches want to bench Mincy badly, but there is legitimately nobody else we can put there and expect to do any better.
The defensive line, as you all know, lacks a dominant edge rusher. There are also some communication issues between The LBs and the defensive line, and that's leading to a lot of the big runs you are seeing.
The defensive line, as you all know, lacks a dominant edge rusher. There are also some communication issues between The LBs and the defensive line, and that's leading to a lot of the big runs you are seeing.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:26 am to Ross
I think this should be said.
We have recruited very well on defense and there is no excuse. It comes down to the players have the WANT TO to be playmakers.
Gabe Wright has been very disappointing throughout his career. He's a white-collar player at a blue-collar position. Same for Jeff Whitaker. Elijah Daniel came as a pass rusher and he's been disappointing. Mincy has gone 25 steps backwards. Holsey and Ford cant stay out their own way. There are plenty others...
Just a lot of players that have not lived up to billing.
You don't have to have a dominant edge rusher if you have dominant inside rushers. That's were I lay blame on Gabe and Adams. There is no way those 2 should be blockable at this point, especially Gabe. We didn't have dominant edge rushers in 2010
We have recruited very well on defense and there is no excuse. It comes down to the players have the WANT TO to be playmakers.
Gabe Wright has been very disappointing throughout his career. He's a white-collar player at a blue-collar position. Same for Jeff Whitaker. Elijah Daniel came as a pass rusher and he's been disappointing. Mincy has gone 25 steps backwards. Holsey and Ford cant stay out their own way. There are plenty others...
Just a lot of players that have not lived up to billing.
You don't have to have a dominant edge rusher if you have dominant inside rushers. That's were I lay blame on Gabe and Adams. There is no way those 2 should be blockable at this point, especially Gabe. We didn't have dominant edge rushers in 2010
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 9:29 am
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:27 am to Warfarer
Combination of things. Teams have tape to see our weak spots. They isolate on certain players like therezie. We bring the safties down to blitz, or cover void left by blisters, thus no help over the top.
Also both bama's and lsu's qb suck. And there were plenty of times lsu gave up the slant to cooper.
We can stop the run, Uga will be better for us.
Also both bama's and lsu's qb suck. And there were plenty of times lsu gave up the slant to cooper.
We can stop the run, Uga will be better for us.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 9:32 am
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:31 am to CaptainBrannigan
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They isolate on certain players like therezie.
Exactly, I didn't think a ton of the last staff, but there was a reason they moved him to RB. He's good against the run, but HORRIBLE in pass coverage.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:31 am to CaptainBrannigan
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Combination of things. Teams have tape to see our weak spots. They isolate on certain players like therezie. We bring the safties down to blitz, or cover void left by blisters, thus no help over the top.
Agree. We are very weak in the middle and I for the life of me do not understand why TAM did not exploit that more. Ole Miss burned us on that route down the middle all night and TAM hit it twice last night. Then they stopped throwing it. I told my wife that I would throw it 10 times per game. You are going to hit it 8 of them.
Our tackling is very bad right now. This was not the case earlier this year. We were actually tackling pretty well. If they dont step up against Gurley and Chubb, we will lose. Those two are very hard to tackle.
No pass rush is known. Wont get any better this year. We will have to live with it.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:34 am to thirdlawson
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Gabe Wright has been very disappointing throughout his career. He's a white-collar player at a blue-collar position. Same for Jeff Whitaker. Elijah Daniel came as a pass rusher and he's been disappointing. Mincy has gone 25 steps backwards. Holsey and Ford cant stay out their own way. There are plenty others...
Just a lot of players that have not lived up to billing.
this sounds like it all falls to the coaches not getting them ready then. what are the chances we see a move with the coaches at the end of the year? I haven't really seen a problem with what Garner is doing up front, we just can't seem to land the key pieces that we need to make a dominant front four. We land one guy to add to it but can't get the others to help.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:41 am to Warfarer
I thought lack of pass rush was a big factor. We had a solid pass rush against Ole Miss and still got thrown on all day. I really think it's the scheme we run. Teams have figured out the holes in it. Lack of talent is part of it. At the end of the day I keep going back to the scheme. Holes abound in it.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:06 am to MrAUTigers
It's coaching.
I don't know much about football, but when I see the offense line up and I can tell you what they are gonna run...... I feel like the defensive coordinator should know too.
I don't know much about football, but when I see the offense line up and I can tell you what they are gonna run...... I feel like the defensive coordinator should know too.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:25 am to Aubie Spr96
I think that Ellis is running out of ways to create pressure or atleast show blitz.The whole run frost and cass to the line and drop them back isnt working
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:28 am to Warfarer
Mincy would not start at any other SEC school. Ford might turn out to be a great player, but he is a converted RB, and we are expecting too much from him. Our LBers are good. Our DL is average. It is what it is.
ETA:
Next year, Trey Matthews will be roaming back there. Pair him with our tall CBs we have recruited the past few years, and we'll be fine.
ETA:
Next year, Trey Matthews will be roaming back there. Pair him with our tall CBs we have recruited the past few years, and we'll be fine.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 10:30 am
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:51 am to Tigerman97
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Frost and Cass are great in run support
In some games this year, yes. In others, no.
Yesterday they both sucked arse in run support.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 11:39 am to AUCE05
If Bridges works out like we hope I have fait . I think Ford could be good but we can't ask him to be anything more than that
Next year we should have a legit as fug DL too
Next year we should have a legit as fug DL too
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:23 pm to GenesChin
This beef between cheese and JW cost us a natty. I would rather he find a new home next year. B
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