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re: TOffical AU vs. Vandy game thread 23-16 GAME

Posted on 11/5/16 at 2:35 pm to
Posted by JamalSanders
On a boat
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 2:35 pm to
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someone explain the rule about not leaping a center on a field goal in college please. The announcers kept saying that you can't leap a center yet he did and was offsides doing it.


You can leap an offensive lineman but you can not land on an offensive lineman if you leap. So had Cunningham had touched any of our offensive lineman, it would have been a penalty. But because he did not touch anyone while he was in the air, it isn't a penalty.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12112 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 2:38 pm to
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You can leap an offensive lineman but you can not land on an offensive lineman if you leap. So had Cunningham had touched any of our offensive lineman, it would have been a penalty. But because he did not touch anyone while he was in the air, it isn't a penalty.



ok. the announcers kept saying something about not jumping above the center is why I asked. His whole body went above the center but his feet were above the gap.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
18940 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 2:38 pm to
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You can leap an offensive lineman but you can not land on an offensive lineman if you leap. So had Cunningham had touched any of our offensive lineman, it would have been a penalty. But because he did not touch anyone while he was in the air, it isn't a penalty.


Wrong. Go read the rule book. Players are not allowed a running leap into the line, being lifted up by other players to gain height or to hurdle lineman. We won the LSU game in 04 on the same penalty after we missed the go ahead extra point. There is a reason you don't see players taking running leaps on every field goal.

It's a penalty at every level of football
This post was edited on 11/5/16 at 2:41 pm
Posted by sbr2
Member since Apr 2011
15012 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 2:43 pm to
All this bullshite aside, I'm sad we lost Pettway for who knows how long. That guy is special.
Posted by Mac5500
Auburn
Member since Jul 2013
2499 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 2:43 pm to
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It's a penalty at every level of football
In the NFL you can do it if you don't touch the snapper, right?

I definitely didn't think you could do it in college though
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
18940 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 2:46 pm to
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In the NFL you can do it if you don't touch the snapper, right?


It's a penalty in the nfl too. There was an auburn player a couple years ago that got flagged in an nfl game for it. His name escapes me though but I'll find the video
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10922 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 2:46 pm to
Really doesn't matter.... if you're over the center with a still unsnapped ball.
Posted by AUatWashandLee
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2014
664 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 2:53 pm to
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It's a penalty in the nfl too. There was an auburn player a couple years ago that got flagged in an nfl game for it. His name escapes me though but I'll find the video
It was Daren Bates. I think he did it once illegally and got flagged for it, and then pulled it off legally after that. Also, a seahawks player successfully did the same thing a few weeks ago. Pretty sure it's legal.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38000 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 2:58 pm to
Here is the NCAA rule:

https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR17.pdf

Page FR-91

quote:

Leverage, Leaping and Landing
ARTICLE 11. a. No defensive player, in an attempt to gain an advantage, may step, jump or stand on an opponent.
b. No defensive player who runs forward from beyond the neutral zone and leaps from beyond the neutral zone in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or try may land on any player(s).
1. It is not a foul if the player was aligned in a stationary position within one yard of the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped.
2. It is not a foul if the player leaps from in or behind the neutral zone.
3. It is not a foul if an offensive player initiates contact against the player who leaps.
c. No defensive player who is inside the tackle box may try to block a punt by leaving his feet in an attempt to leap directly over an opponent.
1. It is not a foul if the player tries to block the punt by jumping straight up without attempting to leap over the opponent.
2. It is not a foul if a player attempts to leap through or over the gap between players.
d. No defensive player, in an attempt to block, bat or catch a kick, may:
1. Step, jump or stand on a teammate.
2. Place a hand(s) on a teammate to get leverage for additional height.
3. Be picked up by a teammate, or be elevated, propelled or pushed.
PENALTY [a-d]—15 yards, previous spot and automatic first down.
[S38]
e. No player may position himself with his feet on the back or shoulders
of a teammate before the snap.
PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. 15 yards from the succeeding spot.
Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict
with other rules [S27].


My contention was always that the dude was offside anyway. On the replay on my TV, the dude was directly above the damn long snapper when the ball was snapped.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12112 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 3:03 pm to
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It is not a foul if the player leaps from in or behind the neutral zone.
3.


what does that mean? as long as you aren't offsides it is ok?

quote:

My contention was always that the dude was offside anyway. On the replay on my TV, the dude was directly above the damn long snapper when the ball was snapped.



he wasn't. i went frame to frame on mine and you can see the ball move before ZC even caught air.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34850 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 3:05 pm to
If the ball hasn't snapped though, he still can't be in the neutral zone, which he easily was. They just blew that.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
18940 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 3:07 pm to
From your post, directly below what you highlighted.

quote:

No defensive player who is inside the tackle box may try to block a punt by leaving his feet in an attempt to leap directly over an opponent.



That's exactly what he did. 15 yard penalty and argument over
This post was edited on 11/5/16 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Mac5500
Auburn
Member since Jul 2013
2499 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

No defensive player who is inside the tackle box may try to block a punt by leaving his feet in an attempt to leap directly over an opponent.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38000 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 3:09 pm to
Except that play wasn't a punt.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
18940 posts
Posted on 11/5/16 at 3:15 pm to
I will stand corrected then.
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