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Title IX investigation found ex-Auburn football player Landon Rice 'responsible'

Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:03 pm
Posted by TigerPaw1
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Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:03 pm
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Auburn University's Title IX investigation of former football player Landon Rice found he was responsible for sexual assault stemming from an incident in April 2016, resulting in him being barred from stepping foot on the campus until the fall of 2024, according to documents provided to AL.com.

"Although (Rice) claims that he assumed he had affirmative consent, the investigators found that the (female accuser) explicitly told (Rice) she did not want to engage in vaginal intercourse," according to the university's Notice of Outcome letter, provided to AL.com by a source who requested anonymity.

Rice, whose appeal of the decision was denied in a Notice of Final Outcome on Dec. 2, 2016, was found in violation of Auburn University's Policy on Sexual and Gender-based Misconduct based on the preponderance of evidence in the investigation. He left the school in September and was suspended immediately "with eligibility to return under disciplinary probation in Fall semester 2024" and prohibited from being on campus, attending any university events or taking any courses on campus or through "distance education," the Notice of Outcome states.

"Unlike others, we have respected the confidentiality of the Title IX inquiry, even though we vehemently disagreed with the way it was conducted," Rice's lawyers, Augusta S. Dowd and Kelly Brennan, said in a statement to AL.com on Tuesday. "The Title IX inquiry completely lacked due process, which is unfortunate for Landon or anyone else accused at Auburn University. The untrained individuals who investigated this charge did not provide Landon a hearing, did not permit cross-examination of the accuser or witnesses, and totally disregarded serious contradictions in the most relevant testimony."

Title IX is a federal law prohibiting the exclusion, denial of benefits or discrimination of an individual on the basis of sex at an educational institution receiving federal funding.

Auburn's Title IX investigators determined the sexual assault to be "one severe act" in which there was "no violence reported, aside from (Rice) blocking the (accuser's) arms," and they "know of no prior misconduct" by Rice, who did not accept responsibility for the assault, according to the Notice of Outcome.

Rice, who was 18 at the time of the incident and turns 20 this week, "provided a statement from a former sexual partner that he does not have a pattern or practice of engaging in sexual assault" as well as the results of a polygraph test "regarding specific questions related to sexual intercourse with" his accuser, according to the Notice of Outcome.

The notice, however, notes investigators considered "the controversy surrounding the validity of polygraph testing in general and the omission of certain questions in this particular polygraph examination," specifically whether the accuser told Rice she did not want to have sex.

Rice's lawyers say he "passed a polygraph test that specifically asked whether he had ever forced his accuser to have sex in any manner, whether all their encounters had been consensual, and whether he'd ever forced her to have sex after she refused.

"Those conducting the Title IX inquiry refused to consider the polygraph results. They entirely disregarded or disallowed crucial evidence that a reasonable person would have considered. In contrast, a criminal grand jury found no probable cause (a lower standard than that used by the Title IX office at Auburn) for any criminal charge against Landon after hearing testimony from both Landon and his accuser. Landon has never been charged or arrested for any crime.

"The Title IX proceeding lacked the fundamental elements required to reach fair and accurate findings. Releasing the results of this flawed process only compounds the errors and the harm inflicted on Landon."

On Thursday, Rice's lawyers cited the polygraph results as evidence of his innocence without providing details as to the questions he answered when they claimed a grand jury in Lee County declined to indict him on "any charge" last month.

Last week, Lee County district attorney Brandon Hughes declined to comment on the grand jury proceedings.

The accuser's lawyer, Jeffrey Herman, declined comment on the findings of Auburn's Title IX investigation. Auburn University declined comment on its Title IX investigation's findings as stated in the Notice of Outcome and Notice of Final Outcome letters.

"Auburn University has a long-standing policy not to comment on Title IX matters," a statement from the university read.

On Dec. 9, 2016, AL.com filed a Freedom of Information Act request to Auburn University requesting "copies of all materials related to the University's Title IX investigation into Landon Rice, his appeal and the 'Final Outcome Letter.'" The university declined that request on Dec. 15, 2016 citing the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA).

The text messages in which Rice repeatedly apologized to the accuser and "tried to convince the (accuser) to not report the sexual assault" were considered by investigators, according to the Notice of Outcome.

Rice left Auburn in September for what coach Gus Malzahn called "personal reasons," and has not spoken publicly about the rape allegation. He is currently playing football at Mississippi Gulf Coast C.C. and is "considering opportunities to play football with Division I schools," according to the statement from his lawyers on Thursday.

The notice will follow Rice around to any other schools that request his academic transcripts, stating that he was "suspended for violations of the University's Policy on Sexual and Gender-Based Misconduct and Other Forms of Interpersonal Violence,'" Auburn University Title IX coordinator Kelley Taylor stated in the letter.

The SEC, Big XII, Pac-12 and Indiana University have all implemented policies prohibiting athletes with past incidents of "serious misconduct," including domestic violence, sexual assault and other interpersonal violence, from transferring to their institutions - the Big XII and Indiana policies also encompass incoming freshmen, which the SEC has discussed expanding its policy to include as well. Based on the findings of Auburn's Title IX investigation, a program from one of those conferences wishing to sign Rice would need to seek and be granted a waiver for his acceptance.

On April 24, an account appearing to belong to Rice tweeted he received an offer from Louisville, who later denied it is recruiting Rice. The tweet and the Twitter account have both since been deleted.
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I am sure this thread will turn into a shitshow but finally something more than gossip has been reported. Just a shitty situation all around
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 7:05 pm
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:36 pm to
I wasn't aware until a few months ago that polygraph testing was still done. For some reason I always heard it had a really high failure rate as was unreliable.

But I know it's part of the security clearance process, so there must be something there that's worthwhile.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:48 pm to
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For some reason I always heard it had a really high failure rate as was unreliable.


I have taken 5 of them. They are very reliable.


Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:02 pm to
I don't have a problem with harsh punishment for sexual crimes, but I am concerned if what his lawyers say is true about the due process part of all this.

If there are no components of Title IX to allow the cross examination of an accuser then that is a huge issue. If the investigation truly ignores certain evidence or witnesses to protect the college at all costs as the lawyers suggest Title IX needs to be restructured with a quickness.

Morning guilt can cost some kids futures possibly if any of that is true.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:13 pm to
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I have taken 5 of them.


Cheating in bass tourneys?
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:13 pm to
Good. frick that POS
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
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105376 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:30 pm to
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:34 pm to
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I have taken 5 of them. They are very reliable.



Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:34 pm to
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For some reason I always heard it had a really high failure rate as was unreliable


They are not reliable and also can be "beat" by someone whose prepared

Source: Uncle is in FBI and shits on them on the reg
Posted by PearlJam
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:53 pm to
The text messages look bad for Rice and I'm not convinced one way or the other regarding this particular incident, but using Title IX to essentially prosecute crimes (especially sexual assault) is just a horrible idea. The universities and the people implementing title ix are wholly unqualified most of the time to conduct such an investigation and deliver such damning decisions.
Posted by blzr
Keeneland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:24 pm to
So no home and home with Louisville for a few years, huh?
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:57 pm to
Yes, I do agree the text messages are pretty damning. I guess my comment should have been more in general terms. I was in no way defending Rice at all, but there are other stories of false accusations. It should lead to some questioning of the Title IX process at the very least.
Posted by golfntiger32
Ohio
Member since Oct 2013
12486 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:58 pm to
I dont like these type of investigations, the accused is not afforded due process procedures a court would. Grand Juries are also one sided as well, just the DA presenting his side to a jury which decides if it is worth a trial. If the DA didnt have enough evidence to charge then how in the hell can a bunch of sidewalkers off the street know?
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 9:59 pm
Posted by PearlJam
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:10 pm to
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. I guess my comment should have been more in general terms. I was in no way defending Rice at all, but there are other stories of false accusations. It should lead to some questioning of the Title IX process at the very least.
That is how I took your comment. I just wanted to make sure my comment was also understood to generally be referring to the Title IX process. It just isn't the right forum for these matters.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:25 pm to
Agreed
Posted by DuncanIdaho
Ouray, CO
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:31 pm to
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I have taken 5 of them. They are very reliable

Umm, why? Thumbtack in the shoe?
Posted by HouseofWaffles
Member since Nov 2014
4651 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:07 pm to
Im sure its for winning big tournwya

Hell, I got one for winning a division in a kayak tournament a few yeara back.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38002 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 4:41 am to
Without comment on this case, I keep tellin' y'all about Title IX. The OCR in the Dept of Justice has made a sword of Title IX over the last 20-25 years to slash through constitutional rights in order to implement their radical feminist agenda.

Sexual assault on campus should not be college-adjudicated. Its a goddam crime, and professors, administrators, and student committees are not trained (nor often do they give a shite) about the civil rights of not only the accused, but the accuser in many cases as well. It should always be in the hands of law enforcement who have the power of supboena and professional investigation and evidence gathering.

With respect to Auburn, many of these in charge of running these Title IX "investigations" are the same people who wiped their arse with the Bill of Rights a couple of weeks ago, requiring a Federal judge to step in and set them straight.

And, again, I refer anyone interested to this excellent book:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1594038856/ref=mp_s_a_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493803817&sr=8-1-fkmr2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=the+campus+rape+hoax
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 6:01 am
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
61557 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 4:57 am to
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Im sure its for winning big tournwya


Bingo

I have to admit that it makes you very nervous. Even if you have not done anything wrong.

Its not done that much anymore but it does help with the cheaters. I am fishing the Skeeter Challenge this year and the championship is on Lanier in October. Top finishers will all take the poly...

Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28280 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 5:39 am to
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I am fishing the Skeeter Challenge this year and the championship is on Lanier in October.


How are things going in it?
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