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Help me understand why Steele is a bad DC
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:20 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:20 am
Not a flame, but legitimate question. I don't care about the 2012 Orange Bowl. W Va scored 5 times in the 2nd quarter. There was a 99-yard TD off a fumble recovery and Tajh Boyd threw a pick and lost a fumble that led to two more W Va TDs.
So, why is Steele not a good DC. Is it his scheme, inability to coach, unable to develop talent, or something else?
I've heard where his schemes are sometimes too difficult to grasp. Is that true?
So, why is Steele not a good DC. Is it his scheme, inability to coach, unable to develop talent, or something else?
I've heard where his schemes are sometimes too difficult to grasp. Is that true?
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:25 am to atlau
Why would you consider him a great DC?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:37 am to atlau
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So, why is Steele not a good DC. Is it his scheme, inability to coach, unable to develop talent, or something else?
Kevin Steele has only 5 years of DC experience- '07 Bama, 09-11 Clemson and '15 LSU. He was 'demoted' at Alabama and at Clemson his defenses did not improve
Every Team he has inherited has had a statistical decline in total defense from the year before and a statistical improvement after he leaves (LSU tbd)
2006 Alabama #16
2008 Clemson #18
2014 LSU #9
Steele's 5 Years Total Defense Rankings
'07- #26 (decline from #16)
'09- #20 (decline from #18)
'10- #19
'11- #71
'15- #25 (decline from #9)
Then when you look at advanced stats he has even worse performances
Steele S&P+ Adv Stats Defense Rankings
2007- #45
2009- #26
2010- #27
2011- #73
2015- #27
Post Steele Years Total Defenses improve
2008-9 Bama- #3, #2
2012-14 Clemson - #64,#24,#1
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:45 am to jangalang
Thanks GC and jangalang.
Next question: are we better or worse off than when we had Ellis Johnson?
Next question: are we better or worse off than when we had Ellis Johnson?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:08 am to atlau
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Next question: are we better or worse off than when we had Ellis Johnson?
Likely better off. Steele's defense concepts are pretty common so he can borrow from what's successful around the league. He won't week to week come up with innovative ideas to beat opponents, but there aren't glaring weaknesses in scheme. Compare that to EJ whose 4-2-5 was somewhat unique and he never could adjust to seam routes/ find ideas to borrow.
Steele's "schtick" is that he is a great teacher of fundamentals and prioritizes being on assignment. Given that Auburn has sucked tackling, seemingly out of position consistently and loses 1on1 battles, Steele may be a good solution to fixing the primary issues of our defense
He is like the anti Ted Roof.
Roof's players couldn't tackle/tendency to have assignment errors but Roof could midgame adjust like a boss. His scheme (at AU) relied on front four pressure and penetration with zone coverage behind them maybe zone blitzes
Steele's players should tackle well and not make assignment mistakes. We probalby won't see midgame adjustments that fantastic though. Scheme relies on blitzes to get pressure and more man coverage than Roof
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 10:13 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:13 am to GenesChin
Auburn should be a spot to reverse course for Steele.
If he can't provide marginal improvements to a defense with increasing talent and low expectations, he shouldn't get another notable job.
I just want to not suck
If he can't provide marginal improvements to a defense with increasing talent and low expectations, he shouldn't get another notable job.
I just want to not suck
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:47 am to GenesChin
Steele isn't a guru, like many want (hell, like I want)....but he's got a rep as a fantastic fundamentals coach. His guys line up correctly, don't bust a lot and tackle well.
My personal opinion of him is that if you give him a loaded roster and teach that loaded roster of talent how to efficiently and fundamentally play defense, then Steele will put a fantastic defensive product on the field. Are we as loaded as the star rankings suggest we are, on D? That's the question.
My personal opinion of him is that if you give him a loaded roster and teach that loaded roster of talent how to efficiently and fundamentally play defense, then Steele will put a fantastic defensive product on the field. Are we as loaded as the star rankings suggest we are, on D? That's the question.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:56 am to atlau
The question is whether or not he's worth being one of the highest paid assistants in the country. The results say no. 2007 Alabama defense was mediocre. 2009 Clemson defense was mediocre. 2010 Clemson defense was mediocre. 2011 Clemson defense was awful. And last years LSU defense was their worst since 2008. He's a good linebacker coach, but I'm not convinced he's a great DC. This year were pretty stacked on the defensive roster though, so maybe he can do something with that.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:11 am to atlau
Ellis Johnson was never a good DC. He was a terrible recruiter, and struggled with basic concepts. He is a product of the good ole boy network.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:28 am to DyeHardDylan
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question is whether or not he's worth being one of the highest paid assistants in the country.
Uh no it is fricking not. It is if he can be a good coach at Auburn.
If we won NCs but overpaid our coaches people would be perfectly fine
Posted on 7/7/16 at 1:05 pm to atlau
I remember, way back in the day, when Bruce Arians (head coach of the Arizona Cardinals) was a horrible college coordinator.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 1:15 pm to GenesChin
quote:Basically he fielded a top 25 defense with one bad year. I'll fricking take it
Steele's 5 Years Total Defense Rankings
'07- #26 (decline from #16)
'09- #20 (decline from #18)
'10- #19
'11- #71
'15- #25 (decline from #9)
Posted on 7/7/16 at 2:13 pm to ChexMix
Two ways to look at those stats. Either Steele is a constant regressor, meaning whatever defense he touches he makes slightly worse, OR that Steele is a consistently #20-30 coach, and the high rated defenses he inherited tracked back to his average. If it's the second, it will be exciting. If it's the first, well, same AU shite on a different day.
The data is just too noisy and there isn't enough of it. I'll withhold judgement.
The data is just too noisy and there isn't enough of it. I'll withhold judgement.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/8/16 at 5:50 am to LandofDixie
So does this mean we will get a new DC next year?
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Posted on 7/8/16 at 7:43 am to ChexMix
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Basically he fielded a top 25 defense with one bad year. I'll fricking take it
Alternatively you can see he inherits good defenses and performs worse
Luckily he can't do much worse than the past 3 years
Posted on 7/8/16 at 8:01 am to GenesChin
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Luckily he can't do much worse than the past 3 years
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:18 am to HouseofWaffles
I agree if he is a sound fundamental coach we should see improvement. Clemson will be a real challenge if he cannot adapt in mid game. I am really just hoping he is better than average and can stay put with good recruiting. This coaching merry go round has to slow down some.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 11:30 am to WareagleKK
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My personal opinion of him is that if you give him a loaded roster and teach that loaded roster of talent how to efficiently and fundamentally play defense,
So all he needs is an ultra-talented and well-coached team to succeed. Do you know how bad that sounds?
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