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Posted on 9/17/17 at 7:13 pm to AUstar
Posted on 9/17/17 at 7:13 pm to AUstar
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Jimmy Rane I haven't seen around in years.
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Since Jetgate, things haven't been as bad, but their influence is still there.
It is "since Colonial's collapse" during financial crisis after Jetgate. A lot of big donors had axes to grind against Lowder/Rane. When the dynamic duo lost one guy, they lost their influence quickly. Rane now is also dealing with the fallout of the Mike Hubbard situaction.
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GOB's influence
I'll start this by saying I don't like Jacobs and prefer a new AD. I know the reaction it will get
So I have it on pretty good authority, that Jacobs contrary to popular belief is not some big GOB. All I'll say is that a ton of major hires in the AD were clearly anti GOB / not GOB candidates
Jacobs is very very far from being a puppet AD for the good ol boys. He has an incredible amount of power compared to say Housel to make moves
Jacobs has a base of power be is beholden to, it just isn't the GOBs people think of like Pat Dye/Lowder/Rane
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However, I don't know how powerful Dye is since he made it clear he wanted Kirby hired over Gus.
A few donors value his opinion, but otherwise he has no real influence. Even those donors though rarely take his word as gospel
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we need a dictator as HC, but the PTB at AU just don't want to give up their control.
From my understanding this isn't true. They want a Saban/Meyer/Harbaugh. The problem is they can't find one / agree on who that guy should be
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 7:25 pm
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 9:52 pm to GenesChin
Great post and I appreciate your insight.
If JJ goes, do you trust that the people who make the decision on the new guy will bring in a top-notch candidate?
And when you say the GOB wants a Saban, Harbaugh, Meyer type... Are they essentially indicating they desire to move on from Gus if the right candidate is available?
If JJ goes, do you trust that the people who make the decision on the new guy will bring in a top-notch candidate?
And when you say the GOB wants a Saban, Harbaugh, Meyer type... Are they essentially indicating they desire to move on from Gus if the right candidate is available?
Posted on 9/17/17 at 10:43 pm to GenesChin
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From my understanding this isn't true. They want a Saban/Meyer/Harbaugh. The problem is they can't find one / agree on who that guy should be
No the problem is that there is only one Nick Saban, Urban Meyer or Jim Harbaugh. Every school in the country would love to have one of those guys, but let's be realistic. The other issue is that even if one of those 3 were available, they aren't coming to Auburn. I'd say you could probably count on 1 hand the schools they would seriously be interested in if they were available. So that leaves a couple of alternatives. Either go out and hire a young up and coming guy and let him have free reign to build a program or hire a solid coach that has a history of success. Either way be realistic and don't kid yourself that you're gonna go out and lure the top echelon of coaches to Auburn.
One other thing. If you want a winner, you better be prepared to hire someone with a tremendous amount of ego. You don't reach the heights of Saban or Meyer without one.
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 11:06 pm to GenesChin
Chip Kelly...?
Posted on 9/17/17 at 11:08 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Either go out and hire a young up and coming guy and let him have free reign to build a program
In this case, hire a Dabo Swinney: a bring your own guts, a "are you a tennis ball or an egg". He is a goober, but he's also a goober that his players buy into. He seems to let his OC and DC run their schemes. If this is the type of coach we go for, I'll take it.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 11:27 pm to Jyrdis
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He seems to let his OC and DC run their schemes. If this is the type of coach we go for, I'll take it.
I think what you're looking for is a CEO style coach. You want someone who establishes the philosophy on both sides of the ball and then goes out and hires coaches to execute said philosophy. What we have now is a coach with an offensive philosophy who is unwilling to trust his coordinator to handle the implementation, preparation and execution of his philosophy.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 1:42 am to AUNashville
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Great post and I appreciate your insight.
No problem. I'd say it is more refuting some of the more persistent misinformation than giving good insight though
This whole thing is TIFWIW. It is my opinion and even I "TIFWIW"
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If JJ goes, do you trust that the people who make the decision on the new guy will bring in a top-notch candidate?
That's a hard question and could only give a very slightlyeducated guess. If we hire a non FB coach, I feel good the hire we make would be someone who would be reasonably competitive at other P5 schools (i.e. not embarrassing).
Now, to Tubz+Chizik. I doubt either of these happen
First, the weird Tubz 4 AD talk. I know one semi major donor (Talon 500k+ likely Oaks soon) who doesn't hate it in casual conversation. I know at least a few influential people who don't like Tubs though. Doubt he could get the support
Second (I have no good info on this), Chizik for AD could end up being interesting . The AD is set up to alow our AD to be the face of the program. I could see Chizik being attractive as that type of hire + he is very well liked as a person
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And when you say the GOB wants a Saban, Harbaugh, Meyer type...
So these major donors are effectively buying influence. The problem with hiring a "dictator coach," as in given complete autonomy, is that these donors lose some of their influence.
Example, Saban hired Lane Kiffin as OC (then Sark). I believe Gus would have been vetoed if he tried to hire Kiffin/Sark or a controversial hire like that.
I doubt Bobby Lowder would ever voluntarily give up that input. I do believe the current PTB who are calling the shots are much more amenable if it is needed to win
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Are they essentially indicating they desire to move on from Gus if the right candidate is available?
This is hard to answer, I don't have any insight on the real movers & shakers and what I do know is incomplete at best.
I don't see us Charlie Strong'ing him to hire a Tom Herman/Non verified truly elite. Gus should determine his own future
As for Gus' job status, he isn't a dead man walking. The dissatisfaction is real though. There are boosters who never bought tickets forthe Gus bus and would have fired him after 2014.
What Gus would have to do to keep his job? No clue, but hard to imagine he can survive going 0/3 vs @LSU/UGA/Bama.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 2:25 am
Posted on 9/18/17 at 1:53 am to GenesChin
So basically the TL;DR version of above,
-We may hire a good AD or we may hire a bad AD
-Donors trust coaches who are winners
-Gus may get fired or may not get fired
-The sun rises in the East and sets in the West
Everything you hear from people about AU "powers that be" should be taken w a grain of salt, especially things relayed as fact/crystal clear. The person may have a good source and actually heard XYZ but are wrong because,
- Boosters complain, it is like death & taxes for them. There is a huge difference between a major donor wanting to fire XYZ and them actually writing a check to the buyout fund
- One booster doesn't always reflect opinions of all the movers & shakers
- One booster may not have as much influence as they lead the messenger to believe
- When decisions become real and not just idle talk, people frequently change hard-line stances
- Situations/opinions change, the info people have rarely updates in real time like that
-We may hire a good AD or we may hire a bad AD
-Donors trust coaches who are winners
-Gus may get fired or may not get fired
-The sun rises in the East and sets in the West
Everything you hear from people about AU "powers that be" should be taken w a grain of salt, especially things relayed as fact/crystal clear. The person may have a good source and actually heard XYZ but are wrong because,
- Boosters complain, it is like death & taxes for them. There is a huge difference between a major donor wanting to fire XYZ and them actually writing a check to the buyout fund
- One booster doesn't always reflect opinions of all the movers & shakers
- One booster may not have as much influence as they lead the messenger to believe
- When decisions become real and not just idle talk, people frequently change hard-line stances
- Situations/opinions change, the info people have rarely updates in real time like that
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 2:37 am
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:00 pm to GenesChin
Did Rane really go down on to the field and talk to Tuberville during a game? If so, which game and for what reason?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:19 pm to HailToTheChiz
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Run a functioning offense
This.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:41 pm to AUNashville
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Did Rane really go down on to the field and talk to Tuberville during a game? If so, which game and for what reason?
That is before my time. I have no idea. I don't believe it. At least I don't believe it happened quite as it is portrayEd
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:02 pm to GenesChin
quote:Rane spent a lot of time on the AU sidelines during Tubs' tenure. I don't recall a specific incident where he might have criticized him to his face while down there, but I recall seeing him down there more than once.
id Rane really go down on to the field and talk to Tuberville during a game? If so, which game and for what reason?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:31 pm to FearlessFreep
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Rane spent a lot of time on the AU sidelines during Tubs' tenure.
This isn't surprising. A full on confrontation During/around game time? Not so much
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:17 pm to GenesChin
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Was wondering what you were doing, because you clearly weren't moderating this board.
It's almost as though Ross thought he was on a break.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:27 pm to wartiger2004
A whole lot of nothing posted here
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:53 pm to GenesChin
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So basically the TL;DR version of above,
-We may hire a good AD or we may hire a bad AD
-Donors trust coaches who are winners
-Gus may get fired or may not get fired
-The sun rises in the East and sets in the West
This is solid information or no information at all
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:04 am to Weagle25
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This is solid information or no information at all
Exactly. It's like reporting on how a team looked in spring practice. You may get real information, but things canchange drastically + the info may be bad (JJ's spring game)
On Marcello's podcast, both him plus random guy think Gus can't survive if he loses both UGA/Bama, even if he goes 9-3. At 9-3, we'd be ranked in the top 25 (likely top ~15) w losses to 3 top ~10 teams. We'd also beat LSU @Home for the first time since '99. THere is no way I see us firing Gus in that situation.
I totally believe the talk right now is that won't be good enough because people are so pissed. Mostly because they don't believe 9-3 is achievable so it is idle threats. There won't be the support to fire a SEC CHamp coach with 4 top 25 seasons who went 9-3 possibly 10-3 w/ Bowl
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 9:07 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:04 pm to rbWarEagle
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This thread is bad
It really fricking is.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:17 pm to GenesChin
quote:I think its a stretch to say UGa will be top 10 if they beat us. The MSU game should tell us a lot about how good they are, but for now the jury is still out.
On Marcello's podcast, both him plus random guy think Gus can't survive if he loses both UGA/Bama, even if he goes 9-3. At 9-3, we'd be ranked in the top 25 (likely top ~15) w losses to 3 top ~10 teams. We'd also beat LSU @Home for the first time since '99. THere is no way I see us firing Gus in that situation.
quote:It wouldn't be unprecedented.
There won't be the support to fire a SEC CHamp coach with 4 top 25 seasons who went 9-3 possibly 10-3 w/ Bowl
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:40 pm to FearlessFreep
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I think its a stretch to say UGa will be top 10 if they beat us. The MSU game should tell us a lot about how good they are, but for now the jury is still out.
That's fair, but barring a Tennessee level meltdown, their worst case is 3 losses on their remaining schedule if they beat AU. If they finish 9-3, they are top 15-20 at least
So we'd lose to two top 5 type teams and a top 25 team.
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It wouldn't be unprecedented.
What happened to Mark Richt isn't very comparable. We'd have to watch Gus go 8-5 to 10-3 for another 3-4 seasons
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