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Carlson draft position
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:16 pm
Is being killed right now because of Aguayo.
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:26 pm to Jyrdis
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Is being killed right now because of Aguayo.
If you aren't drafted in RD1-2, there isn't a ton of difference in money.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:45 pm to Jyrdis
Good. Maybe he will stay
Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:29 pm to GenesChin
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If you aren't drafted in RD1-2, there isn't a ton of difference in money.
So what OP said still stands...
The Bucs took Aguayo in the 2nd
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 10:26 am to Jyrdis
The difference is Carlson possess pure power in his leg. He can change the outcome of a game. Aguayo was just accurate in college. Carlson will have a higher ROI.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 10:42 am to AUCE05
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The difference is Carlson possess pure power in his leg. He can change the outcome of a game. Aguayo was just accurate in college. Carlson will have a higher ROI.
A friend of mine was the last kicker taken in the second round before Aguayo, he was known for distance and accuracy, as well as a groza winner and 2x AA. He was a journeyman after his initial contract but has settled now. I didnt think anyone would go as high as he did for a while, but the bucs did it last year with Aguayo. its going to take a specific team with interest to draft high.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 11:03 am to NYCAuburn
Nugent?
Posted on 10/11/16 at 11:14 am to NYCAuburn
It is a difficult position to play. No loyality from teams. Parkey was awesome his rookie year. Gets injured, and Philly cuts him. Seems like teams would invest more in the position since it has a direct input on scoring.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 11:54 am to AUCE05
Why would Aguayo impact Carlson's draft stock? Aguayo was never billed as a 2nd round worthy kicker, that pick was simply Tampa Bay being stupid and over drafting a late round kicking prospect.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 11:55 am to Weagle25
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So what OP said still stands...
The Bucs took Aguayo in the 2nd
Even if Aguayo did well, doesn't guarantee that there are two teams stupid enough to take a K in RD2 or better
Aguayo also was the record holder for kickers in college after a distinguished 3 year career. His last 2 years he was 4/5 from 50+ and never missed inside 40 his entire career
Carlson is awesome, I like him better than Aguayo but the NFL wasn't drafting him in RD1-2 even if Carlson pulled out Sebastian Janikowski heroics of 60+ FGs
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:04 pm to boddagetta
Yes, at one point in our lives, he and I played on a club soccer team that also had two 1st round draft picks as well.
He also had a field goal post in his back yard growing up, so he had quite a bit of practice
He also had a field goal post in his back yard growing up, so he had quite a bit of practice
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:16 pm to boddagetta
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Nugent?
2nd rounder
Nate Kaeding was a 3rd rounder and is the second most accurate kicker in NFL history. He was the most accurate until a string of groin injuries that ended his career early
Mike Vanderjact who is the most accurate in NFL history was an 8th round CFL pick.
Mason Crosby may be the most hyped college kicker I remember and he was a 6th rounder.
So yeah, Aguayo has a big bar to live up to.
He may hurt other kickers draft stock, but Carlson is so good I think he still goes high. Carlson might not have the hype of guys like Nugent or Crosby, but I really think Carlson is the single best kicker I've ever seen at the college level.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:20 pm to BowlJackson
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So yeah, Aguayo has a big bar to live up to.
Sucks for him that the pressure/bar is set so high based solely on how stupid the Bucs were to draft him. He can't even be a pretty good kicker without being a bust
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:50 pm to GenesChin
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Carlson is awesome, I like him better than Aguayo but the NFL wasn't drafting him in RD1-2 even if Carlson pulled out Sebastian Janikowski heroics of 60+ FGs
Janikowski
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:24 pm to jsmoove
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Janikowski
He is a damn legend. The guy is a real life version of hte kicker from the movie "The Replacements"
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Janikowski, who later said he was thinking he could save everyone paperwork and the trouble, approached the arresting officer and asked how much it would take to let his friend go. He was then arrested for attempting to bribe an officer,
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:26 pm to GenesChin
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Even if Aguayo did well, doesn't guarantee that there are two teams stupid enough to take a K in RD2 or better
Who said it did?
I would say if somebody took a kicker in the 2nd round the year before and it worked out well, a team is more likely to consider it an option in the future. Same can be said if it doesn't work out well. Teams are going to be less likely to do it in the future.
So the statement that Aguayo is hurting Carlson's stock is a fair assessment. It becomes even less likely that he gets picked high.
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Carlson is awesome, I like him better than Aguayo but the NFL wasn't drafting him in RD1-2 even if Carlson pulled out Sebastian Janikowski heroics of 60+ FGs
If you were asked if Agauyo would be taken in the 2nd round before last year, what would your answer have been?
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 2:06 pm to Weagle25
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So the statement that Aguayo is hurting Carlson's stock is a fair assessment.
Never said it didn't hurt his stock, just that he wasn't going to be a RD1-2 player
People were surprised when a 3x All American, Lou Groza winner, NCAA FG Record holder who never missed inside 40 was picked in RD1-2. While I think it is stupid, Aguayo was "as sure a thing" as you could get from a CFB kicker.
While I prefer Carlson even over FSU Aguayo, he doesn't have the long term consistency that made Aguayo even in contention to be a RD1-2 pick.
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I would say if somebody took a kicker in the 2nd round the year before and it worked out well, a team is more likely to consider it an option in the future
There is no "working out well" scenario for a K that justifies a 2nd RD pick. Not for a position that is known for getting the yips + Pro Bowl K are available for league minimum deals (Parkey)
Posted on 10/11/16 at 2:24 pm to GenesChin
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Never said it didn't hurt his stock, just that he wasn't going to be a RD1-2 player
You implied it
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There is no "working out well" scenario for a K that justifies a 2nd RD pick. Not for a position that is known for getting the yips + Pro Bowl K are available for league minimum deals (Parkey)
There is always a working out well scenario or they wouldn't have even considered him.
Now I agree that it's a slim to none chance that if you draft a K in the 2nd round that it will work out well and I would never draft a kicker in the 2nd round but I could be proven wrong. And if I was proven wrong, I'd be more likely to consider it a possibility.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 2:48 pm to GenesChin
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People were surprised when a 3x All American, Lou Groza winner, NCAA FG Record holder who never missed inside 40 was picked in RD1-2. While I think it is stupid, Aguayo was "as sure a thing" as you could get from a CFB kicker.
Aguayo saw his accuracy drop every single year at FSU. In his last season he was something like 50% on attempts of 40 yards or more. He only attempted something like 6 kicks of over 50 yards in three years at FSU. As sure a thing as you can get? Hardly. The renowned accuracy was nothing more than a shite ton of short range attempts. It was an absolutely silly pick on a player that really wasn't as good as you were made to believe.
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