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247 Article on Hand and the Negative Plays
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:00 pm
"The Tigers are averaging 10.7 negative plays per game (not counting penalties) to rank dead last in the country at 128th"
“They were mesh charging from a defensive end standpoint, which they've never done before,” Malzahn said. “We didn't do a good enough job from an offensive coaching standpoint adjusting quick enough.”
"The theme here, however, is not a good one for Auburn. First-year offensive line coach Herb Hand, who helps Malzahn call plays from the press box on game days, has a history of coaching offensive lines with blocking problems. Seven of his last eight offensive lines have given up so many negative plays, they ranked 105th or lower in seven of the last eight seasons."
“As far as the communication from Herb goes downstairs, I am (comfortable),” Malzahn said. “Obviously when you’re not doing as well you evaluate everything and from a coach’s standpoint, how can we improve? How can we give our guys the best chance of winning? We’re definitely evaluating that. There will be some changes, different things to help our guys. And to help the overall offense.”
"That’s really the No. 1 focus from the offensive staff standpoint is the negative plays,” Malzahn said. “Getting behind the chains. Like I’ve said, a lot of that [Saturday] was on the mesh charge and we’ve got to do a better job adjusting quicker. First game there was a few of that same type situations. But our offensive line, just looking at it from Saturday, we’re improving. We’re going to have to play well this week but I’m not going to blame it on the offensive line.”
Tackles for loss allowed by teams with Herb Hand coaching offensive line
•2016: 128th (10.67 per game)
•2015: T-112th (7.23)
•2014: T-123 (7.62)
•2013: T-73rd (6.23)
•2012: T-105th (6.77)
•2011: 110th (7.23)
•2010: T-111th (7.5)
•2009: T-108th (7.33)
•2008: 55th (5.43)
“They were mesh charging from a defensive end standpoint, which they've never done before,” Malzahn said. “We didn't do a good enough job from an offensive coaching standpoint adjusting quick enough.”
"The theme here, however, is not a good one for Auburn. First-year offensive line coach Herb Hand, who helps Malzahn call plays from the press box on game days, has a history of coaching offensive lines with blocking problems. Seven of his last eight offensive lines have given up so many negative plays, they ranked 105th or lower in seven of the last eight seasons."
“As far as the communication from Herb goes downstairs, I am (comfortable),” Malzahn said. “Obviously when you’re not doing as well you evaluate everything and from a coach’s standpoint, how can we improve? How can we give our guys the best chance of winning? We’re definitely evaluating that. There will be some changes, different things to help our guys. And to help the overall offense.”
"That’s really the No. 1 focus from the offensive staff standpoint is the negative plays,” Malzahn said. “Getting behind the chains. Like I’ve said, a lot of that [Saturday] was on the mesh charge and we’ve got to do a better job adjusting quicker. First game there was a few of that same type situations. But our offensive line, just looking at it from Saturday, we’re improving. We’re going to have to play well this week but I’m not going to blame it on the offensive line.”
Tackles for loss allowed by teams with Herb Hand coaching offensive line
•2016: 128th (10.67 per game)
•2015: T-112th (7.23)
•2014: T-123 (7.62)
•2013: T-73rd (6.23)
•2012: T-105th (6.77)
•2011: 110th (7.23)
•2010: T-111th (7.5)
•2009: T-108th (7.33)
•2008: 55th (5.43)
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Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:03 pm to AUtigR24
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Tackles for loss allowed by teams with Herb Hand coaching offensive line
•2016: 128th (10.67 per game)
•2015: T-112th (7.23)
•2014: T-123 (7.62)
•2013: T-73rd (6.23)
•2012: T-105th (6.77)
•2011: 110th (7.23)
•2010: T-111th (7.5)
•2009: T-108th (7.33)
•2008: 55th (5.43)
Holy balls
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:05 pm to AA7
They better fix that shite fast or fire that frick.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:10 pm to AA7
Yeah that's pretty concerning. It was pretty clear what A&M was doing all game, and we never made any adjustments. You'er right Gus..that is terrible coaching. Garret was wayyy to quick to pull Smith and try to block him.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:18 pm to AUtigR24
We should get the stats from 2013-2015 for JB Grimes and compare.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:24 pm to AUtigR24
If that was done on the middle school level the coach in question would be told to just teach in class and stay away from ruining young kids' lives on the football field.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:40 pm to AUtigerNOLA
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We should get the stats from 2013-2015 for JB Grimes and compare.
A little unfair since we had more NFL talent on those lines but
2016 3 Games- 32 TFL #128
2015- 65 TFL #22
2014- 74 TFL #64
2013- 65 TFL #30
For Fun
2011- 97 TFL #115
2010- 74 TFL #65
2009- 78 TFL #77
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:43 pm to AUtigR24
I think Hand has been the most disappointing coach so far. I honestly thought he would help Gus get the offense back to running like it did at Tulsa with a similar skillset at QB in Sean White. I didn't expect this OL to be dominant & I don't think anyone thought he was a better position coach than Grimes but at least for me I thought he would help a lot in improving our gameplanning & adjustments during the game. Instead we look worse at both of those 
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:00 pm to AUtigR24
There was a reason PSU was happy to see him go. I heard Christian Hackenberg was pissed Hand didnt leave sooner.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:08 pm to TigerPaw1
I knew when JB Grimes "left" it would be detrimental. Guy was a fricking animal. Look at those past years stats, look at 'em. Lots of excuses for this line when none of them or the backups are that bad minus Leff (who maybe I'm wrong after PFF rating). Clemson's DL was not as good as we made them look; rated high - sure but young as frick and they walked into our backfield like into their mom's kitchen. Shouldn't need Hand to come in acting as Yoda trying to coach whisper Gus into using the old ways of the force. It's not fricking hard, watch your old Tulsa tapes Goddamnit and use the plays SW could execute if he lacks the arm strength or time in pocket. We're not inventing the Hubble Telescope here we're changing a some football plays in the playbook, going harder to easier actually.
I watch a lot of games played across the country, small to large school and sometimes it seems like in very specific areas WE ARE THE ONLY TEAM in the country doing some dumb different shite or unable to do some basic football function. Maybe it's just me. I'm tired of complaining but I will vehemently criticize when it's just ridiculous. Auburn at 128th in the country in taking TFL in the arse, that's unfrickingsatisfactory. That's like Bayern Munich being last in goals scored in the WORLD.
Hand
"Prayers Sent"
-James Franklin.
I watch a lot of games played across the country, small to large school and sometimes it seems like in very specific areas WE ARE THE ONLY TEAM in the country doing some dumb different shite or unable to do some basic football function. Maybe it's just me. I'm tired of complaining but I will vehemently criticize when it's just ridiculous. Auburn at 128th in the country in taking TFL in the arse, that's unfrickingsatisfactory. That's like Bayern Munich being last in goals scored in the WORLD.
Hand
"Prayers Sent" -James Franklin.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:49 pm to AUtigR24
Who cares, baw?
Herb Hand and Gus Malzahn are pals!
Herb Hand and Gus Malzahn are pals!
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:19 pm to AUtigR24
quote:
Tackles for loss allowed by teams with Herb Hand coaching offensive line
•2016: 128th (10.67 per game)
•2015: T-112th (7.23)
•2014: T-123 (7.62)
•2013: T-73rd (6.23)
•2012: T-105th (6.77)
•2011: 110th (7.23)
•2010: T-111th (7.5)
•2009: T-108th (7.33)
•2008: 55th (5.43)
Posted on 9/21/16 at 4:03 pm to AUtigR24
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Herb Hand, who helps Malzahn call plays from the press box
Nobody else found this concerning!?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 4:08 pm to AUtigR24
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Nobody else found this concerning!?
3 Different people contributing at play calling
5 different players taking snaps
Posted on 9/21/16 at 6:24 pm to AUtigR24
Gus is an idiot for hiring this guy.
Just because you worked with somebody nearly a decade ago when you were fresh out of HS is no reason to hire somebody. That's the type of BBQ club bullshite that ended up killing Tubs
Just because you worked with somebody nearly a decade ago when you were fresh out of HS is no reason to hire somebody. That's the type of BBQ club bullshite that ended up killing Tubs
Posted on 9/21/16 at 9:19 pm to AUtigR24
quote:
•2013: T-73rd (6.23)
•2012: T-105th (6.77)
•2011: 110th (7.23)
Wow...I didn't remember it being that bad. Although, Vandy's numbers are probably always that bad. I don't even wanna look.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 9:46 pm to AUtigR24
This is the best Auburn could do? Auburn pays really well, and this is the best Gus could find? Starting to look like the BBQ gang all over.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 8:22 am to Jyrdis
His lines were God awful at Penn State. This was a terrible hire.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 8:36 am to TigerPaw1
quote:That was the last time Hand and Gustav worked together, back in Tulsa. That would have been more in line with my expectations.
•2008: 55th (5.43)
quote:My feelings exactly.
I honestly thought he would help Gus get the offense back to running like it did at Tulsa with a similar skillset at QB in Sean White. I didn't expect this OL to be dominant & I don't think anyone thought he was a better position coach than Grimes but at least for me I thought he would help a lot in improving our gameplanning & adjustments during the game. Instead we look worse at both of those
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