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re: Coppy gone : TL/DR every Frank Wren's brother said appears to be true
Posted on 10/3/17 at 8:31 am to SECFan1995
Posted on 10/3/17 at 8:31 am to SECFan1995
frick...we officially are keeping Snitker. Whyyyyyyyyyyy
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 12:52 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
Because we don't learn from our mistakes.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:12 pm to SECFan1995
This is bad
This is worse than Ole Miss / Red Sox bad. We have signed a ton of prospects under Coppy and they are all at risk. Drew Waters and Kevin Maitan are the main names being floated but I'm sure Pache and others are in the mix. What a shite show.
This is worse than Ole Miss / Red Sox bad. We have signed a ton of prospects under Coppy and they are all at risk. Drew Waters and Kevin Maitan are the main names being floated but I'm sure Pache and others are in the mix. What a shite show.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:10 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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This place is totally f—d up," one high-ranking Braves employee told Yahoo Sports last week. "I just hope when it blows up, it doesn’t take all of us down." At the center of the investigation is top prospect Kevin Maitan, a 17-year-old switch-hitting shortstop who received a $4.25 million bonus last year. If Coppolella violated MLB rules of tampering, the Venezuelan teenager could be declared a free agent.
The Yahoo report said Coppolella, who was hired in October of 2015, was also bundling international signing bonuses. Those were in the form of under-the-table benefits given to at least one draft pick and pre-draft deals struck months in advance, according to the Yahoo report. Those payments went through a third party known as a buscon, which is Spanish for swindler. Maitan spent months living in a Florida apartment prior to his signing in July of last year. MLB is investigating whether or not Coppolella arranged for the Braves to pay for that apartment, which was shared by another teenage amateur eventually signed by the Braves.
While tampering with teenage international players is not exactly uncommon, bundling bonuses and relocating players to the U.S. to work out before signing are considered intolerable violations of MLB rules regarding the international player market.
we are so fricked
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:29 am to mikeboss550
How is someone allowed to frick up this badly? This is unreal. Was there zero people holding him accountable or did no one care?
I need a different sports city.
I need a different sports city.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:04 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
Dayton Moore to President of Baseball Ops, his highly regarded assistant to GM, and Schuerholz and Hart pushed out the door totally would be making the best of the worst case IMO.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:28 am to mikeboss550
If this involves Maitin, and it looks like it does, we are fricked. Thanks Coppy
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:32 am to SECFan1995
Hiring little Schuerholz would be brazen nepotistic bullshite.
I will lose my season ticket holder mind if they do that.
I will lose my season ticket holder mind if they do that.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Looks like a little over reaction.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:34 pm to adp
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Looks like a little over reaction.
Yes, this thread reads bad days later. Let's just wait and see what the penalty is before we lose our shite.
Coppy did some great things for us. He rebuilt our mess of a franchise, and I loved his #askcoppy segments on twitter. He definitely screwed up, and he is paying the price, but the man was trying his arse off.
Bringing Snitker back sucks. We missed out on Bud Black last year for this bum. This just screams JS and Cox still pulling the strings.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:06 pm to RollDatRoll
Even if we lose Maitan (which would be the worst case scenario) the Coppy tenure will be a win for me.
We will be set up with pieces to play and trade for the next 3-5 years. Every baseball periodical is reporting that our job is a prized jewel amongst baseball people right now.
I don't like that he pretty brazenly ignored rules and created a front office that was a miserable play to be and work, but our system is stacked. So, if we keep Maitan and hire a grown up, maybe this whole thing actually turned out for the best.
With all that said, frick bringing Snitker back and frick the old guard if they try to Braves Way us with this GM hire.
We will be set up with pieces to play and trade for the next 3-5 years. Every baseball periodical is reporting that our job is a prized jewel amongst baseball people right now.
I don't like that he pretty brazenly ignored rules and created a front office that was a miserable play to be and work, but our system is stacked. So, if we keep Maitan and hire a grown up, maybe this whole thing actually turned out for the best.
With all that said, frick bringing Snitker back and frick the old guard if they try to Braves Way us with this GM hire.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:56 pm to SummerOfGeorge
We arent going to lose Maitan. There would probably be a 8 figure bidding war for him, and you know MLB doesnt want that.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:55 pm to devils1854
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We arent going to lose Maitan. There would probably be a 8 figure bidding war for him, and you know MLB doesnt want that.
I don't think so either. They are going to wait until post World Series, make us forfeit a period of international signing money and maybe part of another. If they really want to look tough they'll make us forfeit our 1st round pick for the supposed Waters stuff. That's my guess.
No way they throw Maitan back out there.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:56 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I don't think so either. They are going to wait until post World Series, make us forfeit a period of international signing money and maybe part of another. If they really want to look tough they'll make us forfeit our 1st round pick for the supposed Waters stuff. That's my guess.
No way they throw Maitan back out there.
The thing is, no one has come out with any evidence. Its all rumors. Maybe the MLB has found some in their investigation, but I doubt it will be as bad as first thought. They are digging into a black hole that will show that every organization bends the rules in some way or another.
The Red Sox had 5 players taken away and banned from one signing period. If I had to guess, we will probably be banned for a year, a fine, and probably a lost 2nd round pick.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:52 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Was there zero people holding him accountable or did no one care?
Liberty Media gonna Liberty Media
Posted on 10/12/17 at 8:04 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Even if we lose Maitan (which would be the worst case scenario) the Coppy tenure will be a win for me.
This is kinda where I stand.
This whole thing (not the specific details, but the general path forward) reminds me of the Cox tenure as GM. Suck really bad and rebuild the farm. Cox leaves the GM post (obviously to become manager, not because he got caught cheating) and the Braves bring in someone who can take what was built at the bottom floor and construct a perennial winner at the MLB level. I'm not even partially convinced that Coppy had what it took to build a MLB winner, so bring me an experienced MLB GM (hopefully) to take what Coppy has done and produce results from it.
Regarding Maitan, my thought is that we have 3 possible scenarios that could have happened:
1) We don't cheat, and therefore we probably don't sign Maitan (the assumption being that the only way we get him is by cheating). In this scenario, we never would have had him anyways, so if we lose him, we are no worse off than if we hadn't cheated and didn't sign him (unless you make the argument that we had plenty of money in the Int'l pool that could have been spent on other pieces, which I certainly understand)
2) We don't cheat, yet we sign Maitan anyways. Under this scenario, we are all good because MLB won't find anything in their investigation and we won't lose him.
3) We did cheat, we signed Maitan, and now MLB takes him away. See my explanation for scenario #1.
Hopefully MLB makes their decision soon so we can attempt to address a more longterm solution at 3B since we will no longer have who I think our future 3B will be. I'm not convinced that Riley is the answer, although he very well could be.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 2:34 pm to devils1854
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If I had to guess, we will probably be banned for a year, a fine, and probably a lost 2nd round pick.
I know it's just a guess but if it's something in this ball park, all I have to say is... #worthit
Need to hurry up and find the right GM to take over though and finish the rebuild here. Any specific thoughts from the board? I know the one that keeps getting thrown out is Dayton Moore. Doug Harris and Dan Jennings also mentioned in a report. Are there "better" options out there, or is that likely the best external. Billy Ryan thrown out as an internal candidate, but with the chaos of the recent hubbub, I find it difficult to believe they hire internally.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 2:38 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I know it's just a guess but if it's something in this ball park, all I have to say is... #worthit
I know, which is why I fear we get the hammer. If we think that, they know that too.
But, the backlash to the entire Latin America slave market and the idea of Maitan entering the market is not something they want to see. They like having all of that be something that only real baseball people pay attention to, and that would blow it all up.
I think that they penalize us pretty hard domestically and in future years $$$$ wise, but I seriously doubt they do anything that will bring publicity (like making Maitan a free agent).
And, like you said, if that happens? Worth it.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 2:41 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I know the one that keeps getting thrown out is Dayton Moore. Doug Harris and Dan Jennings also mentioned in a report. Are there "better" options out there, or is that likely the best external. Billy Ryan thrown out as an internal candidate, but with the chaos of the recent hubbub, I find it difficult to believe they hire internally.
All I know is pre-World Series a lot of people thought Dayton Moore was an anti-analytics doofus. He seems to have improved his rep a bit since then. Until their savior group (Moose/Hosmer/Perez) grew up in their 2nd or 3rd years, he was about to get fired. Now, they did grow up, and the Royals became a steady contender. It also sounds like he only comes if he has complete control of the front office (meaning bye bye Hart), which I totally understand.
I want nothing to do with Dan Jennings. I can't imagine they actually hire someone from within.
I saw Ben Cherrington's named mentioned as well, but who knows at this point. It does sound like people around baseball see this as a great job, which is encouraging.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 4:11 am to SummerOfGeorge
Does anyone know any specific rumors about this? Is it that we did some fishy stuff to sign guys and that was it? I don't know how much info is out there, but when I heard it on the radio, they never really said anything other than the dude resigning and them being under investigation. The radio host made it seem like he knew some stuff, so maybe there are some good rumors out there?
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