Alex Wood 10-0 with a 1.67 ERA ,Andrelton Simmons .290 9HR'S 40 RBI and gold glover,

Why is having the best farm system in the league funny? The Alex Wood trade was terrible and it would've been nice to get a little more for Andrelton but it'll all work out in the long run, if you can't see that then you're more stoopid than I thought.

With Kimbrel, Wood, Simmons, both Upton, Heyward, etc the team won 79 games in 2014. Thats including a payroll that was $114 million, and one of the worst farm systems in baseball. So yeah, those guys really put us over the top.

Why would we even want Kimbrel on a losing team? Great closers are a luxury. If we arent winning games, it doesnt matter who is there in the 9th. Plus, Johnson has been fine as our closer the past two years. How many more games would we have won with Kimbrel instead of Johnson? One? Maybe two?

Last year, Simmons had a wOBA of .302 and a wRC+ of 91. This year he is at .321 and 103. League average is always right around .330 and 100. So he has been below league average during his time with the Angels. Yes, he is a great defender, but his hitting has always been suspect. I wouldnt trust his power either. His SLG this year is .407 and ISO is .133. He hasnt had stats that high in 4 years.

The Wood trade was suspect then, and it still is. Its probably the one move I wouldnt have made, but lets not act like Wood doesnt have a injury history. He just pitched 60 innings last year, so who really knows if this Wood will stick, or if he will get hurt again, or if he reverts back to the pretty good pitcher that he was when he was when he was with the Braves.

Yes, losing sucks, but the team that was constructed in 2014 wasnt going to win anything. We were going to lose one of Heyward or Freeman no matter what. BJ Upton was awful and his contract was an albatross. Gattis was/is a DH that we forced into the field. We had no pitching(other than Santana on a one year deal). No depth, and no farm system.

The big rebuild worked for Houston, the Cubs, and now the Yankees, and we are close to being really good with our prospects hitting the majors or are making their way to AAA or AA. Things are about to turn around.

Yeah there was no evidence to suggest Alex would be this good, ever. Even in a best possible scenario. You win some, you lose some. And We have definitely won more trades recently than lost.

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With Kimbrel, Wood, Simmons, both Upton, Heyward, etc the team won 79 games in 2014

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So we're completely dismissing what they contributed to
the Braves in '12 and '13?I get the whole rebuilding strategy bUT the Wood and Kimbrell trades were obviously bad deals in regards to what we got in return.
Unless you think Wisler is going to somehow become a big time MLB starter

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The big rebuild worked for Houston, the Cubs, and now the Yankees

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Yankees and Cubs also have unlimited budgets to add pieces we do not.Houston is the team that we can hope to emulate.

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2 maybe to Cooperstown.

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Which two do you think makes Cooperstown?

Alex Wood or Simmons in the hall of fame rofl

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You seem pretty clueless about our farm system if you're asking if we have somebody as good as Alex Wood or Simmons. You don't have to agree with me that this rebuild is going to work out very well for us, you can be wrong.

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There seems to be a lot talent on the farm pretty close to coming up. It's just fricking frustrating that this has taken 3 years (and counting). It's also a bit concerning to me that two of the big prospect pitchers appear to be complete whiffs (Wisler and Blair).

Allard is the prospect who gives me the most hope right now, and it seems like he's still a long way from being ready. Maitan is still 3-4 years out. Unfortunately, it seems like 2019 at the earliest is when we might start seeing a turnaround.

Simmons' defense would be very valuable with a young staff. All comes down to Newcomb and I guess Swanson but I would definitely lean Simmons over Swanson straight up. He is probably the best defender OAT at SS and is somewhere around average with the bat. A consistent 3-4 WAR SS is very valuable.

The Kimbrel/Upton and Wood/Peraza deals were both horrendous.

A lot of production from Phillips, Adams, Markakis, Flowers, Garcia, Johnson, Kemp.

None of those guys are in the long term plans. Obviously replacing Jace Peterson and Jeff Francoeur with Phillips and Kemp and Williams Perez with Jaime Garcia makes us better in the short term, but not sure how it gives you more hope for the immediate future.

If Albies and Acuna were producing like BP and Kemp at the big league level at 19 and 20 that would create a different outlook.

I knew the Alex Wood trade was a huge mistake from the get go but the Simmons trade is one I'd still wait and see on.

Even though if even Swanson is the hitter I think he probably is (horrible start but has been better since then) I honestly don't think he eclipses the value of Simmons as even if he doesn't make stupid errors (and it's stopped lately) he is nowhere in the universe as good as Simmons as a defender. I think the guy he's been since Milwaukee is more actually who he is at the plate. It'd be interesting to track how much value he'd put up from there to the end of the season.

That's not insulting as Simmons is a legendary defender. It's telling the truth.