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Tell me why y'all DON'T win the SEC west this year

Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:44 am
Posted by atlau
Member since Oct 2012
5264 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:44 am
I've seen a prediction here and there about Arkansas being in contention, but surprised more people aren't giving you credit. Especially after the way y'all were playing at the end of last season.

4 of your offensive line starters back, right? Your running backs are proven and some of the best in the league. Allen at worst is a solid "game manager," but one of only a few QBs with starting experience (Bama, Ole Miss, and LSU all have questions at QB spot). The only thing I see on your schedule that would concern me is back-to-back road trips to TN and Bama.

Honestly, as an AU fan I am more concerned with playing y'all in Fayetteville than I am LSU in Death Valley.

I realize y'all lost Philon. Did y'all lose other key players on defense? How is the defense as a whole going to look?

How are the receivers?

Tell me what your concerns are going into the season.
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7512 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:54 am to
We also lost Trey Flowers and Martrell Spaight. Those were our 3 best defensive players, but we also return the majority of our 2 deep on the DL and our entire secondary except our nickelback. We added army all-american Hjalte Froholdt and the #2 ranked juco DT to our defensive line so hopefully we can replace the production. Plus going into year two of Robb Smith can't hurt.

The receivers still aren't great but should be better than they have been. Hatcher (our best WR) is back and we added juco speedster Dominique Reed. 4* JoJo Robinson will also be in the mix after redshirting last year. We have a great group of TEs though that will be targeted often.

LB depth and our kicking game is what concerns me. Plus we haven't proven that we can win on the road or come back through the air once we get down. I think most fans expect 8-9 wins.
Posted by Notherdamnhog
Huntsville, Al
Member since Aug 2010
5935 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:55 am to
quote:

Did y'all lose other key players on defense
I'll start with this question.

We lost Trey Flowers at DE and Martrell Speight at LB. Both were Seniors and brought not only talent but tremendous leadership to our Defense.

141 beat me in.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 8:56 am
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
16949 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:03 am to
Schedule is brutal. Back to back road games twice. It's very difficult to win on the road in the SEC.

Unknown ability to rush the passer with the loss of Philon and Flowers. We also lost Spaight which makes our 3 best defensive players.
They were the main reason our D was so good down the stretch. They put them all on the same side of the field and it was very disruptive.
CBB has stated that our Dline is very deep though.

Recievers are also an unknown but we have some young talent there.
JUCO Dominique Reed could be huge for us because of his speed and our style of play. Should see some deep balls off of play action.

Hunter Henry will be a beast and will command double teams.
That should open the door for one of our other TEs to make some plays. Possibly someone like Jeremy Sprinkle could have the opportunity to make a lot of big plays for us.

Posted by Killean
Port Charlotte, FL
Member since Nov 2010
4669 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:09 am to
I think there are 4 teams that have a shot to win the west this year:


Alabama, LSU, Arkansas and Auburn.


If LSU can get even below average QB play I think they're in the best position.

Arkansas is solid overall and I think our defense might be even better than last year. The big question for us is whether or not our WR play will improve.

Alabama is going to be kinda bad on offense this year. I don't know that their defense can carry them.

Auburn is going to have a better passing game but I think their overall offense will just not be as good. Jeremy Johnson is probably the best QB in the SEC but he doesn't fit what Gus prefers to do. The bigger question is how much Muschamp improves the defense.



Offhand I think it will shake out with LSU at the top, then Alabama, Arkansas and Auburn.

Georgia might take the overall SEC title.


Alabama and Auburn both have to play Georgia and Arkansas has to play Alabama and LSU on the road.

This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 9:10 am
Posted by atlau
Member since Oct 2012
5264 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:26 am to
quote:

We also lost Trey Flowers


Forgot about Flowers.
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12458 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:45 am to
Forgot about Tre'.......... y
Posted by sugatowng
Look at my bling Bitches
Member since Nov 2006
25328 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:53 am to
I have us winning the West which is a homer pick I know, but for many of the reasons you've laid out.

Our offense will be a lot better this season for a couple reasons:
Dan Enos offense is more in line with what CBB likes to do
Allen should have a higher completion percentage and more TD's with the new OC passing philosophies
Addition of 2 dynamic WR's

Quite honestly, Philon was a beast but our DL is the deepest its been in years. Not too concerned with LB play as Ellis will be in contention for ALL-SEC at the end of the year. We have some nice talent at the other spots.

Our secondary is very underrated going into the season. We had one of the better units in the SEC last season and lose actually two of bottom end defenders to graduation.

EDIT: Forgot about losing Mitchell who really came on his Senior year, but Henre Tolliver should feel that role nicely. Played a lot as a true freshman last year
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 9:54 am
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:59 am to
The loss of Flowers, Spaight, and Philon is being overstated by the media so they won't have to do any actual research. They want comfortable picks for their preseason predictions, so they go with the usual suspects. It's laziness, plain and simple.

I'm surprised we aren't getting more love due to what we have coming back on offense. It's just that we've been bad for so long that people don't feel confident picking us to win the West, so they bring up the players we lost on defense. As if we're the only team in the league that lost players.

Remember Florida last year? They were sooooooo talented that there was no way they could be bad again. They went 4-8 in 2013 and showed up in the preseason top 25 in 2014. It's because the media had gotten comfortable with placing Florida high, and they didn't know what to do when Florida sucked.

It's the same deal with Arkansas. We're good now, but the media is still convinced that we're a notch below the other teams in the West, so they stick with the status quo and put us behind teams like Lsu and Ole Miss, even though we're clearly better than those teams.
Posted by Killean
Port Charlotte, FL
Member since Nov 2010
4669 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:00 pm to
We return 15 starters, 8 on offense, 7 on defense.



All 4 lost starters on defense were drafted.



The only guy drafted on offense was the backup tight end. The lineman we lost was easily the worst starting offensive lineman. Our line play will be a lot better this year as should every single facet of our offensive play.


Defensively, the key to our defense was Brooks Ellis. When he wasn't in the lineup our D was completely lost. He's back and our Defensive line looks to be as good if not better than last season and considerably deeper. Our secondary will also be better than last season. Our linebacking corps remains our weakness and it has the worst depth.
Posted by razorbackfan4life
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2011
8489 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 1:33 pm to
I don't understand how our D-Line will be better.

We lost Philon and Flowers.

I think we are deeper which will help, but we definitely lost our best talent on that side of the ball to the draft.
Posted by razorbackfan4life
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2011
8489 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 1:36 pm to
As to the OP. I think it's a possibility, but we have to move the ball through the air.

Brandon Allen has gotten better as have our receivers. I'm just hoping they can make a giant leap in production.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12375 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 1:39 pm to
If you're asking me why we WON'T win the West, here are a few reasons:

- If lack of LB depth bites us in the arse
- If replacements for Flowers and Philon don't step up
- If Robb Smith has a sophomore slump
- If Brandon Allen doesn't take that next step
- (related) If our passing game doesn't gel
- If our kicking game is inconsistent
- If we're playing the refs in addition to the opponent
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 1:46 pm
Posted by atlau
Member since Oct 2012
5264 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

Auburn is going to have a better passing game but I think their overall offense will just not be as good. Jeremy Johnson is probably the best QB in the SEC but he doesn't fit what Gus prefers to do. The bigger question is how much Muschamp improves the defense.


Hard to say. Malzahn's shown he'll adapt his offense to fit the talent. His QB set passing records in 2007 at Tulsa and Chris Todd set a single-season TD record in 2009.

As far as the D is concerned our depth in the secondary is concerning. Hopefully with Lawson back we get a solid pass rush which was the thing that really hurt us last year.
Posted by lefty08
Not in Auburn or Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
5575 posts
Posted on 8/2/15 at 11:16 am to
they arent saying Gus wont adapt, just that a passing offense wont have him at his best. I dont thinks thats debatable even for an auburn fan
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55217 posts
Posted on 8/2/15 at 11:49 am to
Your defense won't be as good as last year, lost too many stars. And your offense won't be able to compensate and keep up.

You lose 3-4 games. But have another good strong rebuilding season.



2016 will be a much better year for y'all. Will Allen have eligibility left? What year is he in?
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42346 posts
Posted on 8/2/15 at 12:09 pm to
quote:


Your defense won't be as good as last year, lost too many stars. And your offense won't be able to compensate and keep up.


Actually, we only lost one "star" from this time last year, Flowers.

Philon was still young and largely unproven, while good, he was far from a "star" and has a guy who shares his description going into the season last year with Jackson this year.

Spaight was only known for hitting hard in practice, his Junior year he was on the field, but largely a non factor. The difference in his performance was largely due to the time in the film room he spent, something the rest of the LB corp has picked up on.

The main difference between these guys and the two seasons in Robb, he put them in a position to succeed and used schemes to make offenses think their best chance was to take the ball to their side of the field.

Our DBs will be better this year which will more than make up for the losses of these three in the passing game while the replacements get up to speed. The defense may not be a top 10 defense again, but it will not fall back to Petrino level of being in the field during the game because the rules say so.

Our o-line and WR play will be better this year giving BA a better chance to succeed in what he needs to do. If the play calling is better this year (hard to believe it could be worse) the offense will be able to compensate for the loss on defense by sustaining drives keeping the D off the field for rest.

If the offense shows you can run or pass out of both the shotgun and from under center, it will immediately be more effective than Chaney's motto of shotgun = pass, under center = run.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55217 posts
Posted on 8/2/15 at 12:13 pm to
What year is Allen in?


And you keep on drinking that koolaid I don't blame you


But I think 3-4 losses is very realistic for your hogs. You can spin the losses on defense however you like but they will take a toll.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42346 posts
Posted on 8/2/15 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

What year is Allen in?


He will be a senior.

His little brother and Ty Storey are both more physically gifted at the position, both are young and lack experience. This offense isn't one where you "just" play, a lot is asked presnap and during the play at the position.

quote:


But I think 3-4 losses is very realistic for your hogs. You can spin the losses on defense however you like but they will take a toll.


3-4 Losses minimum is realistic for every team in the SEC West. The difference is teams that find ways to win these 3-4 games verses ways to lose these games. The team last year found ways to lose them.

If you look at Robb's track record you can see his approach to defense puts players at certain positions in a very strong chance of success, if he was an OC we would call these guys system QBs, plug, play, see results.
Posted by redeye
Member since Aug 2013
8597 posts
Posted on 8/2/15 at 4:12 pm to
We have uncertainties on defense, with the kicking game and on offense, due to having a new OC. The SEC-W is solid and our tough schedule hasn't gone unnoticed. My biggest worry may be that we'll continue doing stupid things, like playing an injured QB who can't complete passes. I actually think the amount of respect we're receiving is about right, though.

Having said that, our passing game could be greatly improved with better receivers and tight ends under the tutelage of our new OC. And we probably have more depth then we've had in a very long time, which is huge for us. I think we'll most certainly be better and that we do have a chance of winning the SEC-W, but I'll wait to see how this team develops, before buying tickets to Atlanta.

The end of last year was the perfect storm for us. We played great, but I don't know that we can duplicate those conditions for an entire season. I can see why some are expecting big things for us, but we're still growing and they may be jumping the gun a little. Or they may be right and I'm just being overly cautious, but either way, I'm excited for the season to start.
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