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Posted on 10/11/15 at 3:57 pm to ocelot4ark
Posted on 10/11/15 at 3:57 pm to ocelot4ark
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I'm less inclined to believe we're not deep enough (considering the OL strategies of our counterparts) and more inclined to think we're just not talented enough there.
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Posted on 10/11/15 at 4:04 pm to hawgfaninc
True. Very true. Just saying the starters are the bigger problem.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 7:44 pm to ocelot4ark
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I'm less inclined to believe we're not deep enough (considering the OL strategies of our counterparts) and more inclined to think we're just not talented enough there.
We have 3 freshmen on the two-deep, one of which is a walk-on. Yes, depth is a problem.
Couple that with the fact we have a few guys out of position in effort to get the best 5 on the field at the same time, and it's both.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 9:03 pm to pioneerbasketball
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pioneerbasketball
Great Post.
Give the numbers for the powerball.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 9:45 pm to Feral
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We have 3 freshmen on the two-deep, one of which is a walk-on. Yes, depth is a problem.
Couple that with the fact we have a few guys out of position in effort to get the best 5 on the field at the same time, and it's both.
Whose fault is that in year 3?
Posted on 10/11/15 at 10:50 pm to ocelot4ark
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Whose fault is that in year 3?
Yeah, CBB is the reason we only have 7 players remaining on the team from the 2 recruiting classes before he got here, amirite? It's like they're limiting him to under 25 new players each year or something, cause he's fat.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 11:07 pm to RazorBroncs
You're saying he has no hand in limited OL depth across the classes? Slurp... Slurp.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 7:02 am to ocelot4ark
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Whose fault is that in year 3?
Bert recruited everyone on the two deep with the exception of Smothers (who's probably our worst starter) and Danenhauer. However, we were starting 2 walk-ons in 2012 and had to start 2 true freshmen in 2013. This isn't just a Bert issue.
I don't think some of you understand the depth issue we had in 2012 and 2013, and it's not something you overcome overnight. In 2013, we started two walk-ons on the OL and two walk-on seniors at LB, so it should come as no surprise that those are two shallowest positions right now. That doesn't excuse losing to Toledo, getting abused by Tech or being unable to hold late leads, but it is what it is.
And my post above was wrong -- we actually have 4 freshmen (true and redshirt) on the two-deep, not 3.
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 7:09 am
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:59 am to Feral
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This isn't just a Bert issue.
Never said it was JUST a Bert issue. The argument is that we're relying on 3 (err 4) freshmen in the 2 deep. Didn't he have 2 other classes to build that depth? If he knew he needed more depth than he had, which is the excuse we're hearing, maybe he shouldn't have given a walk-on DB or somesuch a scholarship. Maybe he should have signed a couple of JUCO OL.
In his third year, Bert should get more blame for roster issues than a guy that hasn't been here in 4 years.JMHO
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:09 am to ocelot4ark
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Has nothing to do with this:
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maybe he shouldn't have given a walk-on DB or somesuch a scholarship.
Has nothing to do with this:
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Maybe he should have signed a couple of JUCO OL.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:28 am to TheCheshireHog
If you say so. How many scholarships is he going to hand out this year? Less than 20? How many walk-ons has he put on scholarship in the last couple of years? At least a few. So I'm just thinking that, unless he's only giving 1 yr scholarships, that his kindness is costing us room for more advanced players.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:54 am to RazorBroncs
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Yeah, CBB is the reason we only have 7 players remaining on the team from the 2 recruiting classes before he got here, amirite? It's like they're limiting him to under 25 new players each year or something, cause he's fat.
You have to realize this is ocelot you're dealing with. The guy who got pissed that we were recruiting more O linemen than any other position.
People actually had to explain to him that there are more offensive linemen on the field than any other position, and that's why we recruit so many.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:59 am to Stonehog
I think we win out at home (4 more)...beat Ole Miss and lose to LSU.
7-5...and really not too bad considering the injuries and the head scratching loss to what turns out to be pretty damn good Toledo team.
7-5...and really not too bad considering the injuries and the head scratching loss to what turns out to be pretty damn good Toledo team.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:38 am to ocelot4ark
our o line got it's arse whipped from the first snap of the game. you dont' "rotate" o lineman. just not that good. they are not horrible. but not dominate
biggest weakness on the team IMHO are the safties. not physical enough, not great in coverage either. Santos will be okay in a year or so
biggest weakness on the team IMHO are the safties. not physical enough, not great in coverage either. Santos will be okay in a year or so
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:47 am to Stonehog
Link? And holy frick you're Ocessed. Do you keep a fricking diary of my posts?
And no one had to explain that to me. Seriously? Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that I didn't know there are more OL on the field? SERIOUSLY? And people fricking believe you?
You people are sad.
And no one had to explain that to me. Seriously? Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that I didn't know there are more OL on the field? SERIOUSLY? And people fricking believe you?
You people are sad.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 7:36 pm to ocelot4ark
Posted on 10/15/15 at 4:31 am to pioneerbasketball
Wow!
Posted on 10/15/15 at 2:34 pm to vengeanceofrain
you do rotate oline men to give them rest atleast a series or 2 or even just some plays. the problem is we are not comfortable enough to do that. yes we got whipped from the start to finish but I said before the season we was not as dominant on the offensive line as the media hyped us to be. we was 9th in rushing in league play last year. even with great improvement 3rd would be phenomenal. that is not what the hype was saying. we are much better this season though. we still need more depth and we need true tackles. I think we take 20-22 players this year. after next season we will have a mass exodus and will take our full allotment. be prepared for in this system having years with alot of seniors some years and some years having significantly less because of retention and us having to take less players some years.
in the years we have less it will be considered a rebuilding year. maybe not rebuilding as much as a year where we aren't as good as usual.
in the years we have less it will be considered a rebuilding year. maybe not rebuilding as much as a year where we aren't as good as usual.
This post was edited on 10/15/15 at 2:38 pm
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