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re: Mike Anderson quietly has moved the goal posts for many.

Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:42 am to
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:42 am to
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It's the SEC, winning on the road shouldn't be hard against shite teams


Where have you been for 30 years?

We had trouble winning on the road under Nolan. The SEC has always been a struggle on the road.

Anyone know Mike's road record off the top of their head?
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:46 am to
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It's the SEC, winning on the road shouldn't be hard against shite teams.


Winning on the road is tough in any conference. You don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:19 am to
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Winning on the road is tough in any conference. You don't know what you're talking about.



Mike beat freaking UK at home....

Getting tired of this crap, he has done a damn fine job on the road overall.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:38 pm to
'Member when getting bumped in the Round of 32 was a down year and not the pinnacle of what we can do? I 'member, I was there.

The goal posts have always been sweet 16 for me. We have the facilities and recruiting base to make it there regularly.
Posted by Cornelius
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:54 pm to
I have no misconception as to what Mike Anderson is as a coach. He's a good coach, but he's not elite. High floor, low ceiling. Good coaches make it to the tournament on a consistent basis, which has been my expectation since he was hired. He has yet to perform to that level in the six years he has been at Arkansas.

Sure, the knock on him early was that the style could not win on the road. That talking point has been put to bed since the 14-15 season. Another knock is that he couldn't recruit. An abundance of in-state talent has helped quiet this concern.

The knock on him now is that his team's are inconsistent. If he can limit the number of head-scratching losses and fix the defense/fouls/erratic substitution patterns/etc. then this too shall pass, and he will have Arkansas in the tournament on a consistent basis.

If he doesn't, then at least the program is relatively stable and potentially attractive for the next guy.
Posted by admiralduckwad
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:32 pm to
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Good coaches make it to the tournament on a consistent basis


which he did at UAB(made tourney 3 of 4 years) and Missouri (made tourney 3 of 5 years)

i think he is a good coach, but i wonder if he has just lost the passion he once had
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 2:33 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:39 pm to
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@ARHoopScoop: Best SEC records last 3 seasons (reg season + SECT):
1. KY 48-7
2. Hogs 32-21
3. A&M 31-21
4. FL 30-22
5. GA 30-24
6. OM 28-23
7. USC 29-24
Posted by Hubbhogg
Fayettechill
Member since Dec 2010
13425 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:47 pm to
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Where have you been for 30 years?


At almost every home game since the early 90's. The SEC road atmosphere is a joke compared to other conferences as is the level of play. I watch a ton of basketball bc I bet on games almost every day. Thanks for the history lesson though, I'm sure you know way more about sports and the razorbacks in general than I do.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Hubbhogg
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:50 pm to
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Winning on the road is tough in any conference. You don't know what you're talking about.



See above, also it's waaaaay harder atmospheres in the other conferences, you're an idiot if you think otherwise. Kentucky and Florida are the only comparable road atmospheres. I've been to several opposing road venues in our conference so yall can frick right off

ETA: Vandy is tough. But overall it's just not comparable.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 4:54 pm
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
22715 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:53 pm to
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so yall can frick right off


I read that as a booger... being flicked off the finger...

Not sure why, don't have sinus issues at the present time.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 8:00 pm to
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Vandy is tough. But overall it's just not comparable.


Pretty sure we've won our last 3 at Vandy...
Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
15747 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 8:19 pm to
Do you jump around and stomp your feet when you don't get your way?
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
17715 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 8:57 pm to
We're talking about SEC officiating mostly.

Someone tracked it and home free throw difference is shockingly bad on the road in the SEC vs other conferences.

Regardless, Mike has been pretty freaking solid on the road overall.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42346 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 9:11 pm to
It really comes down to some do not like Anderson for whatever their reasons.

The team does poorly, his fault. The team does well its inspite of him.

He will never do enough to satisfy them just as Nolan was not able to satisfy them.

He has the program at the best it has been in two decades, but he should have done more up to this point as somehow he has underachieved.

Yes BWA is big, yes Arkansas finally built a practice facility two years after it was promised to be completed when he agreed to take the job.

Mike took UAB and Mizzou to great heights and left both programs in good shape, but he instantly became complacent when he arrived at Arkansas for not making the tourney every year and going deep in the tourney every year just like his predecessors have done since 98 when the university started pumping most of its resources into football...

Arkansas could compete with Kentucky in basketball and be a "blue blood" the only thing stopping this from happening is the fanbase and university who refuses to accept we can be an elite basketball school with a mediocre football program, so resources are lumped into football in the hopes that a few times a decade it can be above mediocre. I really don't think it's a coincidence that the search for rock bottom was accelerated when scholarships for the basketball program and other sanctions were offered by Frank to the NCAA in exchange for lessened penalties to the football program while giving Nutt the infamous two year pass at the same time while refusing to budge on the expectations set for the basketball program.

The thought has been that Frank could have hired Self after Nolan, which he could have, if you believe he wanted to, he then fired Heath after making the tourney (rare occurnace).

After Frank was caught with his pants down with BCG, and he ran Altman off by refusing to allow him to bring his academic support staff, he had the opportunity to hire Cal (pressure from the big money boosters) who would have left Memphis for the right deal, instead he lowballed him as no basketball coach would ever be payed the same or more than the football coach at Arkansas... he found exactly the man he was looking for in Pel, which makes BCG's failures in life since then not really that surprising. Top coaches have been avoiding interest from Arkansas as they all could see the administration at the time wanted the basketball program to meet a level of success disproportionate to the level of support. HCs have been vocal about this in the past in the media if you know where to look, some key tidbits of information have came from the most unexpected places like the Pacific Northwest...

Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
22715 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 9:19 pm to
Vague... no linky?

Provide please, or remain vague...
Posted by hogSS
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2008
1904 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:30 pm to
That post is dead on.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
22715 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:12 pm to
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That post is dead on.


I believe there is enough truth in the post to pique interest and persuade minds... But just enough conjecture to do the same.

DD should work for CNN or Fox News, depending on his mood.

Altman info is absolutely correct, not the Calipari info though.

as for the info from elsewhere... spell it out or why bring it up? Link it, etal...

Posted by admiralduckwad
Member since Dec 2012
2700 posts
Posted on 2/17/17 at 8:26 am to
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It really comes down to some do not like Anderson for whatever their reasons.


id say its as much about a complete failure to reload in '15 than anything. only 2 guys that enrolled, Whitt and Jenkins transferred out. when you combine that with Babb transferring out(one of the better signings from the '14 class) it raises eyebrows.

my point is the recent let down we suffered after making it back to the tournament a couple of years ago should have been preventable.

He makes it to the tournament as a 5 seed, then fails to land a single player to rebuild the roster that year.
Who is to blame for that? fans, facilities, or Anderson?
This post was edited on 2/17/17 at 8:27 am
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42346 posts
Posted on 2/17/17 at 8:42 am to
What happened to Indiana she the lost two underclassmen to the draft?

The took a step back the following year. It is part of the game now with the transfers. The only teams reloading year to year are the blue bloods, everyone else has taken a step back when unexpected departures have taken place...
Posted by Hubbhogg
Fayettechill
Member since Dec 2010
13425 posts
Posted on 2/17/17 at 9:06 am to
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Do you jump around and stomp your feet when you don't get your way?



No, I'm just tired of people giving Mike a pass. We aren't good in a shitty basketball conference.

We could easily have lost to Scar at the end bc we came out of a timeout and got trapped and stepped over backcourt. That's just shitty coaching to allow that to happen
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