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Posted on 10/23/16 at 10:27 pm to dbeck
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The teams that are successful are all in states with large populations of talented high school players. Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia I don't see Gus (or anyone else not named Saban) having much more success here. We just can't get the players they can.
and... not completely true. GA, LS, and TX hasn't had great success recently. I get your point, but ....
Posted on 10/23/16 at 10:50 pm to Feral
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Posted on 10/23/16 at 10:59 pm to dbeck
the thing about recruiting kids with bad character more than anything is that it's just not pragmatic.
Look at ole miss and all the crap they are going through. For all the stuff they did they still have no o line, no running game, no defense. Because they have no depth. Because kids with bad character don't work hard, don't want to learn and eventually do something bad character like to get kicked off the team.
Our lack of depth at linebacker and the secondary and o line has more to do with state resources than recruiting policies. looka t us at WR. not a team deeper in the SEC.
Another note, there is one thing that gus does, probably better than any coach in america. He makes the game extremely simple for his offensive players. I know Dyer and I was talking to him a few years ago and he explained gus's offense in like seriously, 10 minutes, while smoking a joint lol. The entire offense basically consists of about 9 plays with various varations of the plays. There is no year as a redshirt needed to learn the play book. If you get on campus on monday you should have the playbook down by Wednesday.
But, because the only have 9 fricking plays lol, they practice those 9 plays all day and excuse the 9 plays they are asked, to perfection. it's the old TB Sweep of the packers.. you know what we're going to do and we're going to do it anyway and you cant' stop it because we do it better than you defend it.
That's why they play so many freshman. There is no 3-4 years needed to have perfect foot technique as a o lineman. On play 10, you push the dude in front of you left lol. and if you practice pushing the guy in front of you left 200 times a week all year, you get pretty darn good at. That's why IMHO gus's teams are always very dangerous towards the end of the year. repetition.
I like it, but i'm glad he's not here at the same time because i don't like dumbing things down for people, that in no way helps people for the future.
on another note on top of the another note, i think our defensive recruiting strategy is arse backwards. I'm sick and tired of taking texas safteys and trying to make them arkansas linebackers
just go through the state, find the best 3 6'0 190-210 pound athetes you can find and offer them as linebackwars. if you do this every year we actually would have a pretty damn stout linebacker core with dre greenlaw, brooks ellis, Quanterio Heath, Garrett Kaufman (plays for tcu), C.J Gooden (tulsa), Zach Wary (Wake). Arkansas is always going to be a state that linebackers get by on grit and determination we arenot' LB u and that's okay but stop fricking taking safteys and converting them to linebackers it's not working
Look at ole miss and all the crap they are going through. For all the stuff they did they still have no o line, no running game, no defense. Because they have no depth. Because kids with bad character don't work hard, don't want to learn and eventually do something bad character like to get kicked off the team.
Our lack of depth at linebacker and the secondary and o line has more to do with state resources than recruiting policies. looka t us at WR. not a team deeper in the SEC.
Another note, there is one thing that gus does, probably better than any coach in america. He makes the game extremely simple for his offensive players. I know Dyer and I was talking to him a few years ago and he explained gus's offense in like seriously, 10 minutes, while smoking a joint lol. The entire offense basically consists of about 9 plays with various varations of the plays. There is no year as a redshirt needed to learn the play book. If you get on campus on monday you should have the playbook down by Wednesday.
But, because the only have 9 fricking plays lol, they practice those 9 plays all day and excuse the 9 plays they are asked, to perfection. it's the old TB Sweep of the packers.. you know what we're going to do and we're going to do it anyway and you cant' stop it because we do it better than you defend it.
That's why they play so many freshman. There is no 3-4 years needed to have perfect foot technique as a o lineman. On play 10, you push the dude in front of you left lol. and if you practice pushing the guy in front of you left 200 times a week all year, you get pretty darn good at. That's why IMHO gus's teams are always very dangerous towards the end of the year. repetition.
I like it, but i'm glad he's not here at the same time because i don't like dumbing things down for people, that in no way helps people for the future.
on another note on top of the another note, i think our defensive recruiting strategy is arse backwards. I'm sick and tired of taking texas safteys and trying to make them arkansas linebackers
just go through the state, find the best 3 6'0 190-210 pound athetes you can find and offer them as linebackwars. if you do this every year we actually would have a pretty damn stout linebacker core with dre greenlaw, brooks ellis, Quanterio Heath, Garrett Kaufman (plays for tcu), C.J Gooden (tulsa), Zach Wary (Wake). Arkansas is always going to be a state that linebackers get by on grit and determination we arenot' LB u and that's okay but stop fricking taking safteys and converting them to linebackers it's not working
This post was edited on 10/23/16 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:01 pm to RazorbackLaw501
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At any rate, so you think Razorback fans aren't "dedicated enough"? You know what fan base has historically, and, still to this day is? Nebraska. You probably won't find a more faithful and demanding fan base in the country whose facilities, and I have seen them in person when we went up there to the 2012 CWS, are definitely superior to ours. And what do you know, after they lost the continuity of great coaches in Osbourne and Devaney, and when other programs caught up with their strength and walk-on programs, you see overall mediocre and "decent" results in both the Big-12 and Big-10, which apexed almost 20-years ago with a 12-win season.
..Nebraska is 6 and 0, and basically a home again against michigan away from being a legit shot at a playoff team with a heisman hopeful at QB.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:03 pm to dbeck
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Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:06 pm to vengeanceofrain
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Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:16 pm to vengeanceofrain
Nebraska is by far the most overrated team in the entire country
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:20 pm to Razorback Reverend
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and... not completely true. GA, LS, and TX hasn't had great success recently. I get your point, but ....
I didn't mean Texas. I was talking about A&M. Georgia was winning 9-10 games a year but wanted more. As for LSU, Miles was just an awful coach.
It shows how hard it is to win even with great in-state recruiting. Well we're close to the bottom when it comes to HS recruits.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 12:48 pm to dbeck
We need someone with strong Texas ties. People on this board will bash that but it is the closest location to AR with the most talent. I know we will never be first choice there but with the right coach we can build a very competitive team.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:58 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Aka what Gary Pinkel did.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:09 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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We need someone with strong Texas ties. People on this board will bash that but it is the closest location to AR with the most talent. I know we will never be first choice there but with the right coach we can build a very competitive team.
To succeed in Texas recruiting, you will have to adopt the Texas high school philosophy of how the game is played, to get in the favor of Texas HS coaches, Arkansas is going to be expected to take on scholarship players who normally would not be offered a scholarship.
All offense and no defense isn't a model for success in the SEC.
Texas isn't the key to success which is why teams who have traditionally relied on Texas have started branching out over the years, especially OU. Texas is good for helping fill a class, but can't relied up on for a class.
Arkansas, or any school, can have sustained success, the main problem is the first recruiting class was relied heavily for production the past 3 years is now gone, most of these guys are in the NFL. The recruiting has been better than seen from Petrino and Nutt on a national level under Bert.
Bert's main problem has been A.) Balancing the roster position wise and B.) culling the roster.
For Arkansas to have sustained success a freshman recruit is going to have a red shirt year then either one or two years to produce and add value to the team, if you are not dressing out on the roster while walk ons are and you are on scholarship, its time to start looking at FCS possibilities and Bert should encourage this...
This would ensure 25 new comers each year, it may sound like a dick move to process players, but outside of early entries to the draft who take care of numbers themselves, you are only looking at culling 4 guys from each class each year roughly, the uncommon ones could have their degree completed in a 3 year time frame, 3 spring/fall semesters 6 summer semesters, these grad transfers contribute to the APR in a positive manner upon their exit, and have 2 years to play anywhere they want and lets be real kinesiology isn't the toughest degree out there...
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:28 am to DaleDenton
I agree with alot of things you say dale but Texas not being able to fill a class is not one of them. There are plenty of good defensive prospects from texas.and by you saying there's no defense in texas high school football your alluding to the exact opposite. Texas teams and Texas high schools are some of the best in the country and have been for years. baylor and tcu would have been top 3 or 4 in the sec the past 3 years. They would've beaten us and they would've beaten Ole miss tamu and lsu. Hell look at what tcu did to Ole miss a couple years ago in the bowl game as proof. Yes Texas players can succeed if you get the right ones.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:02 am to dbeck
First thing's first, we need to drop the whole "we only recruit good men" shite. We were the best team we've ever been when we recruited dudes that could flat out ball no matter what their attitude was. Hate him for how he left the program all you want, but Petrino will always win more than Bert because he doesn't get hung up on stupid shite. He wants to win. Period. That has to be our mindset if winning big is the priority. Right now it seems like our graduation rate and "holier than thou" viewpoint on recruiting is the priority. We will never win that way.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 7:59 am to DaleDenton
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Texas isn't the key to success which is why teams who have traditionally relied on Texas have started branching out over the years, especially OU. Texas is good for helping fill a class, but can't relied up on for a class.
I'm not saying recruit Texas exclusively but we need a strong base from there.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 8:01 am
Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:34 am to Drewbie
Yep, this isn't Boy Scouts. More violent athletes = more wins.
It's not just Bert though... most of our fans feel that way. I've said this before but we're in the wrong conference if we're hung up on that.
It's not just Bert though... most of our fans feel that way. I've said this before but we're in the wrong conference if we're hung up on that.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:04 pm to Drewbie
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First thing's first, we need to drop the whole "we only recruit good men" shite. We were the best team we've ever been when we recruited dudes that could flat out ball no matter what their attitude was. Hate him for how he left the program all you want, but Petrino will always win more than Bert because he doesn't get hung up on stupid shite. He wants to win. Period. That has to be our mindset if winning big is the priority. Right now it seems like our graduation rate and "holier than thou" viewpoint on recruiting is the priority. We will never win that way.
I tend to agree with this when it comes to victimless crimes (weed, alcohol, grades, etc) though I'd definitely draw the line at violent crimes and the type of shite that Baylor swept under the rug.
I just feel like Bert is holding the kids to too high of a standard. Hell, Collins spent practically all of his 3 years here in the doghouse for ticky tack nonsense despite the fact that he was obviously a good kid at heart and balled out on Saturdays. Look at all the Florida guys we ran off (Edwards, Robinson, Floyd, etc) who could have been big contributors this year or next. We lost a year of Randy Ramsey for some of the same reasons. Think for a second about a linebacker corps this year Ellis coupled with Greenlaw and Ramsey both having a year's worth of starts under their belts.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 1:07 pm
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