I want pj fleck

I want to win the lottery

Hiring a mid-major coach off of a single good year is kind of risky business, in my opinion. Although I'm sure someone will take the risk and snatch him up after the bowl.

Can he recruit in the south?

Next coach or QB up amirite?

Dave Doeren came from NIU. NIU has now produced three coaches in a row that could win 11+ at that school. The third is still employed at NIU, the previous two left to go do an underwhelming job at a P5. That seems to be the way these hires always go. Some are good, some not so much.

I think Doc Holliday at Marshall has proven more than P.J. Fleck. Doc Holliday was coming off a 13–1 season and finished 3–9 this year at Marshall. Mid-majors rise and fall at meteoric levels, I think you need a larger sample size to really see what a G5 coach is made of.

Edit: Interesting note: Dave Doeren has the exact same record at NC State as Bert here, over the exact same time. 3–9, 8–5, 7–6, 7–6. 2–1 in bowls, with the loss being in the Belk bowl. Strange coincidence.

I think you need to see them jump to a job in between the MAC and the SEC before making a move on them. See Urban Meyer as an example. He had two years at Bowling Green and then moved to Utah before Florida hired him.

Yeah, but Solich was far from mediocre at Nebraska. He was 58–19 overall with a national championship game appearance and never had a losing season. And I can see the logic in firing Pelini, but not if you're going to hire the Oregon State guy who doesn't appear to be any better. Nebraska has made some horrible coaching choices. They were expecting Frank Solich to be exactly like Tom Osborne, and when he predictably wasn't (but still very good), they fired him in a hasty fashion. It's been a slight downgrade in quality every coach since.

Solich was an amazing coach who was, quite honestly, only slightly behind Tom Osborne's established standards when he was fired. I've always been amazed that he went to Ohio instead of being snatched up by another high profile team. Lot's of people missed a chance to potentially win or compete for an NC by letting that guy get away. Now he's 72 and couldn't really start over anywhere else.

Yea it's almost certain that he'll retire there and Ohio fans are very happy about that. He's worshipped there and rightfully so for what he has done for the Ohio program.

I was among those who were reluctant, and I also don't have an interest in hiring the one good year flash-in-the-pan types, as I said in my first post in this topic. 25–26 in four years isn't really knee-jerk anymore.

I get what you're saying, but there has to eventually be a dividing line. The years will slowly pile up, and the point of a slightly hasty firing will eventually become a coach who has stayed for way too long. If we win 7 or 8 again next year (or fewer. That's highly possible) with a couple of embarrassing losses or blown big leads, will five years still be too soon?

Also, we're not talking about firing a coach who wins 10+ most years like Solich, Brown, Miles, or Richt. We're talking about firing a coach with a sub-.500 record.