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re: Tua ready to compete with Jalen

Posted on 3/20/17 at 10:47 am to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:05 am to
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True. Jeremy Johnson and Brandon Harris completed some downfield passes once in a while. For that matter, Spencer Pennington completed a few.


These guys never came close to winning SEC offensive player of the year.


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The key, of course, is to complete enough, consistently enough, to make the defense defend the entire field rather than bull rushing the qb, who rolls out and throws away the ball. Complete enough passes to sustain some drives. 3 plays and out, giving the other team 99 plays per game, and you're going to get beat vs a good team. It isn't, though, only the lack of a passing game. He needs to learn to read defenses before and after the snap. Hopefully he will.


I guess I just look at his performance last year through the scope of what his situation is comparable to, which is performances by other true freshmen QBs in power 5 conferences over the course of history.

Probably close to 100 percent of the time, true freshmen QBs struggle a good bit with passing, and reading defenses. Even QBs that eventually develop into good passers from one year to the next. You can pin the NC game on him all you want, but to base your perception of him and his future based on a couple of extremely high pressure games(where the play-calling and Oline sucked) from his freshman season is foolish, IMO.



Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:33 pm to
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You can pin the NC game on him all you want, but to base your perception of him and his future based on a couple of extremely high pressure games(where the play-calling and Oline sucked) from his freshman season is foolish, IMO.


No one is pinning the NC game on him although his shitastic performance had a lot to do with it.

I also blame Kiffin for going full retard, Nick for losing his temper and firing his OC the week of the game, Sark for calling a shittier game than Kiffin would have, CRob for drive killing penalties, Kirven for being a turnstile all night, WR drops, and Bo getting hurt.

Still, Hurts was terrible and he has been terrible passing all season. If we didn't have maybe one of the best defenses to see a college football field, we drop a couple of regular season games because 2-3 turnovers per game statistically guarantees a loss. Only Alabama's talent disparity particularly on defense got us to the title game.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:46 pm to
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No one is pinning the NC game on him


Ummm

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and he has been terrible passing all season


no, he wasn't terrible passing all season. Did you only watch like 3 games in 2016?

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Only Alabama's talent disparity particularly on defense got us to the title game.


We don't make it to the title game without Hurts. And to your point, we don't make it to the title game in 2015 either without our defensive talent disparity.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:27 pm to
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We don't make it to the title game without Hurts


Maybe

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Did you only watch like 3 games in 2016?


Dude take off the fanboi glasses and have an honest evaluation of Hurts.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:29 pm to
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Dude take off the fanboi glasses and have an honest evaluation of Hurts.



Bro, Hurts had multiple good passing games last season. That is fact. An honest evaluation. Saying that he passed horribly all year long is NOT an honest evaluation.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:33 pm to
Jalen's to do list before FSU game

- become comfortable with the offense
- develop his ability to read, assess and throw routes on time (throw guys open)
- develop his deep ball touch to at least an average level (ties in to #2)

Generally, guys who start as true freshmen take a big leap in #1 and #2 going into their sophomore year.

If he does those things, he'll be very good. If he doesn't, who knows what will happen at the QB position.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 1:35 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 2:13 pm to
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- become comfortable with the offense - develop his ability to read, assess and throw routes on time (throw guys open) - develop his deep ball touch to at least an average level (ties in to #2)


Yes...all of things he didn't do well last year....something that seems to escape Funky Tide's analysis. Look - everyone is rooting for him and we all know he will start and assume he should improve.

Will it be enough though to run the system Daboll is expected to bring in?
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 2:18 pm to
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..something that seems to escape Funky Tide's analysis.


I've never said that he doesn't need to improve, and develop. In fact, I've said numerous times that he does. You simply made a false statement, and I corrected you. I apologize.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted by VirgilCaine
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 4:34 pm to
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Funky Tide 8



Everyone wants to find a simple answer to a complex question and Jalen is an easy person to pin it on.

There's a lot reasons why Holieway at OU ('85) is still the first and the last true freshman to win a Natty.
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