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Tim Williams actually has a permit and receipt for the gun
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:56 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:56 am
From Charlie Potter of BOL:
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Court documents now show he had a receipt for the gun and a permit but he did not have the permit in his possession.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:04 pm to TideSaint
The first rule of the REC is you dont talk about the REC.
The second rule of the REC is you. dont. talk. about the REC.
The second rule of the REC is you. dont. talk. about the REC.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:04 pm to TideSaint
Then I retract my comment about him being a dumbass... Well, halfway. He was apparently still in a parking lot "not" smoking weed.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:05 pm to TideSaint
The statute says you have to "possess" a valid permit. It does not state you have to "actually possess" a permit.
Why does this matter you ask?
Possession
The ownership, control, or occupancy of a thing, most frequently land or Personal Property, by a person.The U.S. Supreme Court has said that "there is no word more ambiguous in its meaning than possession" (National Safe Deposit Co. v. Stead, 232 U.S. 58, 34 S. Ct. 209, 58 L. Ed. 504 [1914]). Depending on how and when it is used, the term possession has a variety of possible meanings. As a result, possession, or lack of possession, is often the subject of controversy in civil cases involving real and personal property and criminal cases involving drugs and weapons—for example, whether a renter is entitled to possession of an apartment or whether a criminal suspect is in possession of stolen property.
Actual Possession
"Actual possession is what most of us think of as possession—that is, having physical custody or control of an object" (United States v. Nenadich, 689 F.Supp. 285 [S.D. N.Y. 1988]). Actual possession, also sometimes called possession in fact, is used to describe immediate physical contact.
Why does this matter you ask?
Possession
The ownership, control, or occupancy of a thing, most frequently land or Personal Property, by a person.The U.S. Supreme Court has said that "there is no word more ambiguous in its meaning than possession" (National Safe Deposit Co. v. Stead, 232 U.S. 58, 34 S. Ct. 209, 58 L. Ed. 504 [1914]). Depending on how and when it is used, the term possession has a variety of possible meanings. As a result, possession, or lack of possession, is often the subject of controversy in civil cases involving real and personal property and criminal cases involving drugs and weapons—for example, whether a renter is entitled to possession of an apartment or whether a criminal suspect is in possession of stolen property.
Actual Possession
"Actual possession is what most of us think of as possession—that is, having physical custody or control of an object" (United States v. Nenadich, 689 F.Supp. 285 [S.D. N.Y. 1988]). Actual possession, also sometimes called possession in fact, is used to describe immediate physical contact.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:12 pm to Five0
the other question I have is why would any student who has classes be out at that time of the AM. Even if everything is on the up and up dont you think there is some kind of team curfew during the week of a game.
I predict he will get a one game suspension.
I predict he will get a one game suspension.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:13 pm to mrbroker
All I know is that with my background and soon to be law license, I need to be on the payroll at Bama educating these players.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:23 pm to mrbroker
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the other question I have is why would any student who has classes be out at that time of the AM. Even if everything is on the up and up dont you think there is some kind of team curfew during the week of a game.
I hope this is just worded incorrectly. I think "Why is a football player out at that time don't you think there is some kind of team curfew" makes sense but I was out at 2 AM on Wednesdays more often than not in college as just a regular student.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:28 pm to yellowhammer2098
I was referring more to the student athlete part of it. as I am fully aware that many students are not there to get an education but to party. and parents who did the same thing know exactly what their kids are up to. And no I am not a prude. I paid for my way while going to school so partying off mom and dad's dime was not an option for me.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:33 pm to Five0
I have spent the last 30 years working with 18-22 year olds. You can talk until your blue in the face and they will still make the dumbest mistakes. They know better, some just don't exercise good judgment on a regular basis.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:44 pm to Silverback
Well that is why I will require a retainer from UA. A retainer and a game day box so I can keep a good eye on them.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:46 pm to Silverback
The soapboxers never made a dumb mistake when they were 18-22. Never.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:06 pm to TideSaint
Get ready for the narrative shift to "How is he able to afford a Glock???"
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:45 pm to The Spleen
I am thankful everyday that I wasn't under the constant surveillance that exists now. Young people have very little room for error anymore.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 2:19 pm to The Spleen
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The soapboxers never made a dumb mistake when they were 18-22. Never.
Well being a life-long teetotaler who was going to college and also had a full time swing shift job (thus little free time), I came through it pretty good but your point is valid. Judgement isn't exactly the best at that age.
Even considering that, IMO what Williams did rates VERY low on the general scale of mistakes and errors and in judgement - and I'm an anti-legalization, law and order guy. It just wasn't that bad at all.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 2:35 pm to Silverback
If there was snapchat and facebook when I was 18-22 my whole family would have probaly disowned me.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 3:02 pm to Syd
My freshman year at Bama we regularly climbed on top of that old water tower by the Rec Center to smoke weed. We were almost always really drunk too.
Bunch of Einsteins were we.
Bunch of Einsteins were we.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 6:37 pm to The Spleen
It is my understanding that concealed carry requires actual possession -- that one must have the permit on his person while carrying. That from a Detective.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:04 pm to The Spleen
shite. My roommates just opened the window in Rose Towers and smoked their stash right there.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:04 am to JaboStokes
I think with the open carry you can possess a gun but you can not conceal it in your car. It has to be locked in the trunk of the car. Plus, I am also not sure but arent guns illegal on campus by students. So he may not have been on campus at the time but he would not be allowed to bring it onto campus. The open carry laws are confusing to say the least.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:54 am to mrbroker
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I think with the open carry you can possess a gun but you can not conceal it in your car. It has to be locked in the trunk of the car.
This is true. In Alabama, you can open carry, which means the gun is in plain view, without a permit of any kind. Hiding the gun in any way (pocket, bag, ankle, or even in a holster but under a shirt or jacket) is considered concealed and requires a concealed carry permit. Currently, carrying in your car is still considered concealed, but the state senate had recently passed a bill that would consider your car an extension of your home, and allow for carry in a car without a permit.
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