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Tim Williams actually has a permit and receipt for the gun

Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:56 am
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75839 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:56 am
From Charlie Potter of BOL:

quote:

Court documents now show he had a receipt for the gun and a permit but he did not have the permit in his possession.


Posted by PowHound
The Peoples Moderator
Member since Jul 2014
6843 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:04 pm to
The first rule of the REC is you dont talk about the REC.

The second rule of the REC is you. dont. talk. about the REC.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21669 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:04 pm to
Then I retract my comment about him being a dumbass... Well, halfway. He was apparently still in a parking lot "not" smoking weed.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:05 pm to
The statute says you have to "possess" a valid permit. It does not state you have to "actually possess" a permit.

Why does this matter you ask?

Possession
The ownership, control, or occupancy of a thing, most frequently land or Personal Property, by a person.The U.S. Supreme Court has said that "there is no word more ambiguous in its meaning than possession" (National Safe Deposit Co. v. Stead, 232 U.S. 58, 34 S. Ct. 209, 58 L. Ed. 504 [1914]). Depending on how and when it is used, the term possession has a variety of possible meanings. As a result, possession, or lack of possession, is often the subject of controversy in civil cases involving real and personal property and criminal cases involving drugs and weapons—for example, whether a renter is entitled to possession of an apartment or whether a criminal suspect is in possession of stolen property.

Actual Possession
"Actual possession is what most of us think of as possession—that is, having physical custody or control of an object" (United States v. Nenadich, 689 F.Supp. 285 [S.D. N.Y. 1988]). Actual possession, also sometimes called possession in fact, is used to describe immediate physical contact.

Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
16505 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:12 pm to
the other question I have is why would any student who has classes be out at that time of the AM. Even if everything is on the up and up dont you think there is some kind of team curfew during the week of a game.

I predict he will get a one game suspension.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:13 pm to
All I know is that with my background and soon to be law license, I need to be on the payroll at Bama educating these players.
Posted by yellowhammer2098
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2013
3850 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

the other question I have is why would any student who has classes be out at that time of the AM. Even if everything is on the up and up dont you think there is some kind of team curfew during the week of a game.



I hope this is just worded incorrectly. I think "Why is a football player out at that time don't you think there is some kind of team curfew" makes sense but I was out at 2 AM on Wednesdays more often than not in college as just a regular student.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 12:24 pm
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
16505 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:28 pm to
I was referring more to the student athlete part of it. as I am fully aware that many students are not there to get an education but to party. and parents who did the same thing know exactly what their kids are up to. And no I am not a prude. I paid for my way while going to school so partying off mom and dad's dime was not an option for me.
Posted by Silverback
Gumpin' ain't easy
Member since Aug 2011
4308 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:33 pm to
I have spent the last 30 years working with 18-22 year olds. You can talk until your blue in the face and they will still make the dumbest mistakes. They know better, some just don't exercise good judgment on a regular basis.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:44 pm to
Well that is why I will require a retainer from UA. A retainer and a game day box so I can keep a good eye on them.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:46 pm to
The soapboxers never made a dumb mistake when they were 18-22. Never.
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
10342 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:06 pm to
Get ready for the narrative shift to "How is he able to afford a Glock???"
Posted by Silverback
Gumpin' ain't easy
Member since Aug 2011
4308 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:45 pm to
I am thankful everyday that I wasn't under the constant surveillance that exists now. Young people have very little room for error anymore.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

The soapboxers never made a dumb mistake when they were 18-22. Never.


Well being a life-long teetotaler who was going to college and also had a full time swing shift job (thus little free time), I came through it pretty good but your point is valid. Judgement isn't exactly the best at that age.

Even considering that, IMO what Williams did rates VERY low on the general scale of mistakes and errors and in judgement - and I'm an anti-legalization, law and order guy. It just wasn't that bad at all.

Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
2962 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 2:35 pm to
If there was snapchat and facebook when I was 18-22 my whole family would have probaly disowned me.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 3:02 pm to
My freshman year at Bama we regularly climbed on top of that old water tower by the Rec Center to smoke weed. We were almost always really drunk too.


Bunch of Einsteins were we.
Posted by JaboStokes
Member since Nov 2008
1865 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 6:37 pm to
It is my understanding that concealed carry requires actual possession -- that one must have the permit on his person while carrying. That from a Detective.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72141 posts
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:04 pm to
shite. My roommates just opened the window in Rose Towers and smoked their stash right there.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
16505 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:04 am to
I think with the open carry you can possess a gun but you can not conceal it in your car. It has to be locked in the trunk of the car. Plus, I am also not sure but arent guns illegal on campus by students. So he may not have been on campus at the time but he would not be allowed to bring it onto campus. The open carry laws are confusing to say the least.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6501 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:54 am to
quote:

I think with the open carry you can possess a gun but you can not conceal it in your car. It has to be locked in the trunk of the car.


This is true. In Alabama, you can open carry, which means the gun is in plain view, without a permit of any kind. Hiding the gun in any way (pocket, bag, ankle, or even in a holster but under a shirt or jacket) is considered concealed and requires a concealed carry permit. Currently, carrying in your car is still considered concealed, but the state senate had recently passed a bill that would consider your car an extension of your home, and allow for carry in a car without a permit.
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