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re: Thoughts on the potential of a legitimate 2 QB system?
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:22 am to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:22 am to BamaGradinTn
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Bryant played two QBs every year from 1973 on.
Not even remotely comparable situations
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:45 am to RTR America
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We neutered the strength of this year's team going with Hurts.
Y'all have gotten beyond ridiculous with this shite
The strength of this team, considering the elite corps of wide receivers and young inexperienced running backs, should have been the passing game. I have no doubt that we would have beaten Clemson with Coker, and probably with Sims. We would have pounded them with McCarron.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:40 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I hate it. I hope to see dramatic improvement in the Hurts passes the ball.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 10:45 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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e. I have no doubt that we would have beaten Clemson with Coker, and probably with Sims. We would have pounded them with McCarron.
Cool, none of those players were on the roster. At this point it's just whining because we didn't have anyone "better" than Hurts, who had a really good year and was at least partly responsible for an undefeated regular season.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:09 am to Funky Tide 8
Nevemind the whining of some of you guys anytime a poster has the audacity to suggest Hurts lacks a good passing game right now, but that aside, context is important.
The one poster said it was ridiculous for another poster to say that "We neutered the strength of this year's team going with Hurts."
His exact words were "Y'all have gotten beyond ridiculous with this shite"
My point was simply that it was correct that the strength of this team should have been, moreover, it could have been the ability of our elite receiving corps to make plays. All things being relative, the point that Coker, Sims, and McCarron could have taken advantage of that strength and Hurts could not is valid insofar as the failure to take advantage of what could have been the strength of this team is directly due to the fact that Hurts could not consistently get the ball to them.
It isn't complex.
The one poster said it was ridiculous for another poster to say that "We neutered the strength of this year's team going with Hurts."
His exact words were "Y'all have gotten beyond ridiculous with this shite"
My point was simply that it was correct that the strength of this team should have been, moreover, it could have been the ability of our elite receiving corps to make plays. All things being relative, the point that Coker, Sims, and McCarron could have taken advantage of that strength and Hurts could not is valid insofar as the failure to take advantage of what could have been the strength of this team is directly due to the fact that Hurts could not consistently get the ball to them.
It isn't complex.
This post was edited on 1/21/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:47 am to RTR America
It's a fact. Clemson gave us the ball at the 40 all night. Let that sink in.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:49 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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Nevemind the whining of some of you guys anytime a poster has the audacity to suggest Hurts lacks a good passing game right now, but that aside, context is important.
You are missing the point completely. The point is you guys overlooking the fact that he was an 18 year old true freshman playing in the national championship game. If he doesn't improve then keep on being upset then.
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The one poster said it was ridiculous for another poster to say that "We neutered the strength of this year's team going with Hurts."
His exact words were "Y'all have gotten beyond ridiculous with this shite"
Because it is ridiculous. If he neutered one then he massively strengthened our run game.
This so called strength of this team dropped multiple catchable balls in the championship game and couldn't get open downfield when our QB was trying to scramble.
eta: The strength of Bama under Saban will always be the running game.
This post was edited on 1/21/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 1/21/17 at 4:24 pm to RTR America
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Bryant played two QBs every year from 1973 on.
Not even remotely comparable situations
I'm not comparing anything. Although Bryant had a starter, he also played his backup qb in meaningful snaps every game, whether that backup was Richard Todd, Jack O'Rear, Jeff Rutledge, or Steadman Shealy. That's reality.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 4:37 pm to RTR America
You're the only one upset. It's a discussion.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 7:25 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I'm a firm believer in the saying,"If you have 2 QBs,you have none."
I'm okay with starting the Season with questions and finding out who your QB is in the 1st or 2nd Game.
But I think a QB has to play to get in a rhythm.And that takes significant playing time.
jmho.
I'm okay with starting the Season with questions and finding out who your QB is in the 1st or 2nd Game.
But I think a QB has to play to get in a rhythm.And that takes significant playing time.
jmho.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 7:39 am to tidalmouse
I see this as Jalen's offense and not a 2 QB system. Now, will Saban and Sark work to get Tua the reps needed should Jalen go down with an injury? I believe so. I believe that IF Tua is as good as advertised, you will see him get a couple of series a game WITH AN OPEN PLAYBOOK and not to simply run out the clock.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:52 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I have my doubts about Jalen ever becoming a passer adequate enough to fully run a balanced offense. If we run a single wing and don't plan on utilizing the deep corp of elite receivers on the roster then he is your guy. Will be an interesting spring.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:22 pm to Commander Data
Hopefully he will improve but "if we... don't plan on utilizing the deep corp of elite receivers on the roster" then in a couple of years it may be more like an average corp of receivers, because the elite receivers may not come to run jet sweeps and screens. Stewart and Foster are already taking leave.
Yes, I do know Jeudy is a 5 star. UA has been recruiting him since we actually had a passing game, and I'm sure they've convinced him we'll get the ball downfield next year. I do hope so.
Yes, I do know Jeudy is a 5 star. UA has been recruiting him since we actually had a passing game, and I'm sure they've convinced him we'll get the ball downfield next year. I do hope so.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 7:43 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
Actually, what was frustrating was the strength of this team could have been either the passing game or a traditional power running game. We did neither. We put the ball in the hands of the worst running back (Hurts) and ignored any semblance of the vertical game.
Yay, shotgun formation! Yay, read option! Yay, jet sweep and bubble screen!
Having said that, the greatest growth for a young starting QB is from the first to second year. It's pessimistic beyond extreme to think Hurts' throwing game won't be magnitudes better next year.
Yay, shotgun formation! Yay, read option! Yay, jet sweep and bubble screen!
Having said that, the greatest growth for a young starting QB is from the first to second year. It's pessimistic beyond extreme to think Hurts' throwing game won't be magnitudes better next year.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 10:06 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Actually, what was frustrating was the strength of this team could have been either the passing game or a traditional power running game. We did neither. We put the ball in the hands of the worst running back (Hurts) and ignored any semblance of the vertical game.
Agree partially. The strength should have been a power running game but we still lose to Clemson most likely because he just wasn't gonna complete passes rendering play action useless.
The WR's just were not gonna be our strength. It's a shame too because with just an average passer we are almost unstoppable last year.
I sincerely hope that Saban turned to this bullshite offense because of our limitations at quarterback and not because it's our future. We need to stop trying to be Auburn and start getting back to being Bama. Won't happen with Jalen though. Most poor passers stay poor passers. We have seen this movie before with Brandon at LSU and Treon at Florida.
I know it's cool to bash Griff for not being a perfect kicker and it's not cool to point out that Jalen isn't a good quarterback but the truth is the truth. We can and should do better.
This post was edited on 1/29/17 at 10:09 am
Posted on 1/29/17 at 5:54 pm to Commander Data
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I sincerely hope that Saban turned to this bullshite offense because of our limitations at quarterback and not because it's our future
Deshaun Watson had torched the defense for 400 or however many yards in the title game last year. I think that Kiffin may initially have thought that Hurts could be that kind of a quarterback, and convinced Saban of it.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 11:19 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
The ratio of "successful" 2 QB systems to those that are absolutely awful are what, 99.9 : 1?
Yeah, let's NOT do the 2 QB thing.
Yeah, let's NOT do the 2 QB thing.
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