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re: The Brian Daboll File - Alabama's next OC : Saban wants the Patriot Offense
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:03 pm to Triple Daves
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:03 pm to Triple Daves
Many appreciate Saban's defensive acumen, but underestimate his offensive expertise.
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:05 pm to Triple Daves
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It'd be nice to have a Tom Brady, but it isn't required.
A Brady-esque QB isn't required but what is required is a QB who is extremely proficient in the short and intermediate passing game. Go back and watch the SuperBowl. Brady dinked and dunked his way down the field to guys like Edleman all game. It's how they climbed back into it. Those passes are effective but high percentage to get picked and Hurts couldn't be trusted to make those throws.
INB4 Funky Tide replies and tells me how improved Hurts is going to be next year,
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:10 pm to 14&Counting
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A Brady-esque QB isn't required but what is required is a QB who is extremely proficient in the short and intermediate passing game. Go back and watch the SuperBowl. Brady dinked and dunked his way down the field to guys like Edleman all game. It's how they climbed back into it. Those passes are effective but high percentage to get picked and Hurts couldn't be trusted to make those throws.
Well, the thing is that is just one of subsets of that offense. Depending on the defense they will (and have) run a lot of power stuff and then quick play action off of it. With Brady, they spread everything and just let him make those insane throws.
However, they even incorporated a bunch of QB running when Brissett was in there.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:25 pm to Triple Daves
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Well, the thing is that is just one of subsets of that offense
Yet a critical component. I think what you will see is just the A-B-C primer version of what the Pats run because we don't have the QB with the level of sophistication and experience to get us there. That and we weren't as physical on offense as he have been....(i.e. RUN THA DAMN BAW!). We never found the right tempo with the running game other than Hurts taking off.
Maybe Hurts is the guy I don't know. However, I agree with the overall shift in philosophy. Kiffin brought a lot of interesting stuff to the table and did a great job at masking a lot of defeciencies. But as the season wore on and teams had us more figured out, it seemed a little too much fluff and we got away from playing smash mouth....i.e. controlling the time of possession. Hopefully this shift will make us more balanced where this year we were just a bit too finesse. The offense is going to have to start matching the defense in terms of physicality.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:27 pm to Triple Daves
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Well, the thing is that is just one of subsets of that offense. Depending on the defense they will (and have) run a lot of power stuff and then quick play action off of it. With Brady, they spread everything and just let him make those insane throws. However, they even incorporated a bunch of QB running when Brissett was in there.
Yep. Bellichick's and Saban's offensive philosophy is to be "multiple" (EP+spread hybrid) and using various subsets to best exploit the defenses they face, adjusting during the game(s) as needed.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:36 pm to TidalSurge1
We're going to go DaBolls deep on offense this season
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:40 pm to 14&Counting
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I think what you will see is just the A-B-C primer version of what the Pats run because we don't have the QB with the level of sophistication and experience to get us there.
Agree - though I think that is to be expected regardless moving from the greatest QB in NFL history vs NFL defenses to a 19-21 year old going against college defenses. We clearly won't be able to run it with as many options as the Patriots do.
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However, I agree with the overall shift in philosophy. Kiffin brought a lot of interesting stuff to the table and did a great job at masking a lot of defeciencies. But as the season wore on and teams had us more figured out, it seemed a little too much fluff and we got away from playing smash mouth....i.e. controlling the time of possession. Hopefully this shift will make us more balanced where this year we were just a bit too finesse. The offense is going to have to start matching the defense in terms of physicality.
Totally agree. Kiffin introduced a lot of great stuff and I think Saban took that and found some things he liked and some things he wanted to change. I think he, like a lot of us, grew tired of the idea that we had to get teams running sideways to then pound them inside. I don't even necessarily disagree with that premise as applied to the offense we had, but I don't like the idea that it is NECESSARY.
I really don't know what to expect, and I have no idea if Daboll will be able to do it. I am very curious to see how we change, though, and how it changes our line play and QB situation.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:49 pm to Triple Daves
SIAP - AJ McCarron on Joe Pannunzio LINK
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“It’s an awesome hire” by coach Nick Saban, McCarron said on the show, via AL.com’s Mark Heim. “JoPa is probably my favorite person from my days there. I still talk to him to this day. We’re very close. He’s just unreal. One of the best guys you will ever meet.”
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:52 pm to Triple Daves
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I think he, like a lot of us, grew tired of the idea that we had to get teams running sideways to then pound them inside. I don't even necessarily disagree with that premise as applied to the offense we had, but I don't like the idea that it is NECESSARY.
Personally, I thought it was very effective for the most part....most teams don't have the horses so we run them sideline to sideline to get the D good and gassed then pound the rock with Bo in 2H. Problem against Clemson and LSU is they knew it and could defend it and we would get behind the chains. Hurts wasn't a passing threat and they could sell out, play man, and that worked well for them.
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how it changes our line play
This is going to be key. Agree it will be very interesting to watch....and I am optimistic that Hurts will be improved. If not, we have options.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 5:19 pm to 14&Counting
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A Brady-esque QB isn't required but what is required is a QB who is extremely proficient in the short and intermediate passing game. Go back and watch the SuperBowl. Brady dinked and dunked his way down the field to guys like Edleman all game. It's how they climbed back into it. Those passes are effective but high percentage to get picked and Hurts couldn't be trusted to make those throws.
INB4 Funky Tide replies and tells me how improved Hurts is going to be next year,
I mean, do you think that he won't be improved in the short-intermediate passing game? If so, why? I don't think that it is a bold prediction to think that Hurts will be a better passer in 2017.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 2/16/17 at 5:31 pm to Funky Tide 8
If he improves from horrible to bad then we still have a problem imo. Maybe that is a little harsh but the kid needs more than a little improvement. Weakest link on offense at the worst position to be the weakest link. The competition will be good for him. His competition from last year bitched out and quit.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 5:34 pm to Commander Data
I'm not going to get into it for umpteenth time, but your hyperbole is off the charts. 
Posted on 2/16/17 at 5:45 pm to Funky Tide 8
Hurts had a better true freshman season than pretty much any other college QB ever and we have people calling him horrible.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 5:57 pm to narddogg81
Hurts was only the SEC Offensive Player of the Year.
Could anyone ask more of a true freshman?
Could anyone ask more of a true freshman?
Posted on 2/16/17 at 6:34 pm to Triple Daves
Well, Daboll has a hideous track record and I can't say I'm excited about his prospects, but I will give Saban the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 7:19 pm to CrimsonCrusade
Bobby Petrino stunk up the NFL before going to Auburn to become OC.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 7:27 pm to CrimsonCrusade
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Well, Daboll has a hideous track record
Eh, it isn't hideous. It isn't great, but he wasn't dead last every year and he had some truly HORRIBLE QBs. I mean, the list of QBs he had is cringeworthy. On top of that, Cleveland and Kansas City had bad WR corps too. And if you don't have a QB in the NFL nothing else matters at all.
My issue isn't what he did, it's that I don't have any proof that he can be better than that. I can easily rationalize his numbers as an OC with Cleveland and Kansas City (his Miami stint wasn't terrible), but I would like to see some sort of year that shows he can do it with the right players.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 2/16/17 at 7:34 pm to RollTide4Ever
First of all, Petrino already had a lot of college experience and spent only 3 years in the NFL. Moreover, his first season as OC for the Jaguars in 99 was the best season in franchise history and saw the team set offensive franchise records. Daboll's résumé as OC boasts no successes whatsoever.
But even if your point about Petrino were true, it's just an anecdote and I don't really see what it has to do with what I said. Is the implication that any NFL coach, no matter how bad, can just tear it up in college? I could easily give you examples of coaches who sucked in the NFL and in college. There are even some who were good in the NFL and bad in college.
But even if your point about Petrino were true, it's just an anecdote and I don't really see what it has to do with what I said. Is the implication that any NFL coach, no matter how bad, can just tear it up in college? I could easily give you examples of coaches who sucked in the NFL and in college. There are even some who were good in the NFL and bad in college.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 8:15 pm to CrimsonCrusade
Gene Stallings was pretty bad in the NFL and at Texas A&M but won a national title at Alabama. I know there are plenty of such examples, but that's the first one that comes to mind. The obvious point being that you can't always judge a coach by what they did elsewhere and other times.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 8:16 pm to CrimsonCrusade
I thought Petrino was only OC for one year with Jaquars?
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