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re: Perhaps the core of our issues stem from roster makeup

Posted on 6/30/15 at 1:47 pm to
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 1:47 pm to
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 1:50 pm to
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You don't see the issue with a 12-2 season being listed as "over-achieving?"
We over-achieved because we had a running back as our starting QB.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 2:48 pm to
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You don't see the issue with a 12-2 season being listed as "over-achieving?"



Nope, not in 2014.

But I don't have unrealistic expectations.
Posted by auisssa
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 2:50 pm to
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Not only that, we OVER-achieved in 2014.


We didn't overachieve last year. Ohio State overachieved.



Posted by auisssa
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 2:53 pm to
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We over-achieved because we had a running back as our starting QB.


Which is our staffs fault. With the way we recruit, we should never have a converted anything need to lead the team. It was either bad QB evaluations or bad development.

Posted by chattabama
12essee
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 2:56 pm to
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It was either bad QB evaluations or bad development.


You didn't think there would be consequences to having three OCs in four years?
Posted by auisssa
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:01 pm to
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You didn't think there would be consequences to having three OCs in four years?


Contributing factor? Yes.

Excuse? No.

Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:24 pm to
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Which is our staffs fault.


I don't think we over-achieved because of the QB position necessarily. The guy broke a bunch of records, and was marvelous in most of his games.

I think we over-achieved because of what players we lost in 2013: The most decorated QB to ever play QB at Alabama, one of the best LBs to ever play at Alabama, our starting LT, and an all-american safety. Plus, our starting CB was coming off of severe knee injury.

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we should never have a converted anything


We didn't. Blake Sims came as a QB, and left as a QB. He was moved to RB briefly because we were thin at the position, and we didn't need him for depth at QB during that particular year.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 3:29 pm
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:28 pm to
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We didn't. Blake Sims came as a QB, and left as a QB. He was moved to RB briefly because we were thin at the position, and we didn't need him for depth at QB during that particular year.

We didn't want him as a QB. He only started there because our staff will let you start where ever you want. The only reason he moved back to QB was because we were down to two or three scholarship QBs.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:29 pm to
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We didn't want him as a QB.


We wanted him where he fit best, and that was clearly QB.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:33 pm to
We moved him wherever we needed a warm body. We never expected him to be a starting QB. It just happened that every QB we brought in since AJ ended up sucking. We were completely unprepared for when AJ finally graduated, and we are only slightly better now. At least we have one or two guys that have potential.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:41 pm to
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We moved him wherever we needed a warm body.


Yet, he was an injury away from being the starter for two years before he started.

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We were completely unprepared for when AJ finally graduated


Yet, the guy who replaced him broke all kinds of passing records.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:46 pm to
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Yet, he was an injury away from being the starter for two years before he started.

Because we did a terrible job of evaluating and developing a back up. If Sims went in as a starter either of those two years, we basically would have been running the wildcat exclusively.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 3:54 pm to
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Because we did a terrible job of evaluating and developing a back up.


You say this, but the guy that was the backup ended up breaking a bunch of records at Alabama. So what is your proof that it was such a terrible job of developing and evaluating a backup?

Because my argument that he was a good option at backup is based on the success he actually had when he was the starter.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:19 pm to
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Because my argument that he was a good option at backup is based on the success he actually had when he was the starter.


Do you think Sims would have been remotely as successful in 2013 or 2012 had he been forced to be the starter? Because I don't. We didn't have a viable back-up until 2014. That's two years in a row that we were one play away from disaster.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:19 pm to
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Yet, the guy who replaced him broke all kinds of passing records.



I don't think that changes what he said. Sims turned out to be good enough to throw the ball to Cooper and Kiffin is a great play caller. We got lucky. But I'd say with guys like Cornwell and Barnett on the roster it's a clear contrast to the days of Phillip Ely seeing reps.

No disrespect to Ely.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 4:20 pm
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:21 pm to
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Do you think Sims would have been remotely as successful in 2013 or 2012 had he been forced to be the starter? Because I don't. We didn't have a viable back-up until 2014. That's two years in a row that we were one play away from disaster.



I've gotta agree. If AJ goes down in 12 or 13, the trophy case isn't as full. Now, if Lane Kiffin was the OC and 2014 Blake Sims was the backup in those years it'd be different.
Posted by crimsontater
Trenton GA
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:49 pm to
my brother and i have had this as an ongoing topic for 2 years now. we both recognize that at the moment in a game where sheer will and want too, takes over for talent. it seems as tho we are lacking in that area. our thoughts on this were to many high ranking 4 n 5 stars that rely on talent the whole time. not enough 3 stars that have had to work their butts off their whole life to get everything they got. they know how to dig deep down and pull more out of themselves than anyone ever thought. those cornbread fed country boys that push it to the limit and drag others with them. at least thats how we see it.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:33 pm to
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we both recognize that at the moment in a game where sheer will and want too, takes over for talent. it seems as tho we are lacking in that area


Weird, I saw us show will and want to in quite a few games last year. Even the games we lost, we clawed until the very end.
Posted by ehole
in a house
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:35 pm to
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our thoughts on this were to many high ranking 4 n 5 stars that rely on talent the whole time. not enough 3 stars


You've seen Rudy 1 too many times.
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