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Posted on 8/23/16 at 8:13 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 8/23/16 at 8:13 pm to MontyFranklyn
Saban doesn't show the media anything I promise it's only when they are around. Bateman and Cornwell together means nothing just like hurts and Barnett being in a line together doesn't mean they are 1&2.
Also there is no way Barnett is number 2, he had a nuclear meltdown.
Also there is no way Barnett is number 2, he had a nuclear meltdown.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 8:15 pm
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 8:28 pm to CrimsonBoz
1 and 4 together and 2 and 3 together.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 8:31 pm to mrbroker
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1 and 4 together and 2 and 3 together.
1. Hurts
2. Bateman
3. Cornwell
4. Barnett
Posted on 8/23/16 at 8:43 pm to Bamafan4evr12
Corn is hurt. he has to be number 4
Posted on 8/23/16 at 9:12 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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How do you even score on that defense? We always stop the run, but the pass rush/defense capabilities of those 11 is incredible.
Whats wild about that lineup is Daron Payne is not in there... i know its a Nickel look, but ya got to get the big fella in there somewhere. He would destroy the interior of the OL and allow those rabbits to get home even faster.
Not sure who he comes in for though. #BAMAPROBLEMS
Posted on 8/24/16 at 8:01 am to mrbroker
Quick update and apologies for not getting it up yesterday.
QB order when media wasn't around was
Bateman
Hurts
Barnett
Corn
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 8:02 am
Posted on 8/24/16 at 8:37 am to CrimsonBoz
I figured Bateman would be the starter and that's mainly why I haven't really expressed an opinion either way thus far.
I'm going to support whoever trots out onto the field and won't hope for them to fail based on fall camp updates and expectations.
Hurts will have his time to shine. For now, let's all get behind whoever is the starter, even if it is Cooper Bateman.
Who, by the way, has done everything asked of him since he stepped on campus. For everyone who praised Anthony Averrit for doing the same thing, you should also do the same for Coop. He's earned it.
ETA: I wanted to bold this part so it doesn't get looked over. If AA gets kudos for never missing a practice and doing everything asked of him, then Bateman should too. He even switched to WR when we needed depth there. That's a team player gentlemen.
I'm going to support whoever trots out onto the field and won't hope for them to fail based on fall camp updates and expectations.
Hurts will have his time to shine. For now, let's all get behind whoever is the starter, even if it is Cooper Bateman.
Who, by the way, has done everything asked of him since he stepped on campus. For everyone who praised Anthony Averrit for doing the same thing, you should also do the same for Coop. He's earned it.
ETA: I wanted to bold this part so it doesn't get looked over. If AA gets kudos for never missing a practice and doing everything asked of him, then Bateman should too. He even switched to WR when we needed depth there. That's a team player gentlemen.
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 8:40 am
Posted on 8/24/16 at 8:58 am to TideSaint
But AA is actually good, Bateman isn't
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:00 am to TideSaint
Oh I totally agree, breaking down each players fine IMO. Strengths and Weaknesses etc, it's what the board is for.
When the game starts I'm for whoever trots out.
Bateman and Hurts will play is what I'm hearing so that's what I am sticking with.
When the game starts I'm for whoever trots out.
Bateman and Hurts will play is what I'm hearing so that's what I am sticking with.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:00 am to CrimsonBoz
As expected. Saban just will never start the younger player, he always starts the upperclassman.
I also expect Bateman to be phased out once he continues to perform at an average level and the other coaches push for the change to Hurts.
I also expect Bateman to be phased out once he continues to perform at an average level and the other coaches push for the change to Hurts.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:06 am to YStar
It's alittle different situation for two reasons. Both will play for looks, and it could be equal time or less for one who doesn't perform.
Now again, the order of QBs doesnt say their rep count which I will know when the count starts later this week. That will be Que.
Now again, the order of QBs doesnt say their rep count which I will know when the count starts later this week. That will be Que.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:12 am to MontyFranklyn
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But AA is actually good
Based on what? He hasn't played a meaningful snap for us throughout his entire career. Is it because he was splitting reps with a former 5-star and potentially sending him to the bench? We've had plenty of 5-star busts in the past 9 years.
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Bateman isn't
He didn't exactly set the world on fire in the Ole Miss game last year, I know.
However, if we are basing our opinions on this camp alone and you are saying Averrit has performed really well, well why wouldn't he be seeing as he's covering passes thrown by "terrible" Cooper Bateman and Blake Barnett.
On the other hand, maybe Averrit and Co. are playing so well it makes our QBs look like shite.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:25 am to CrimsonBoz
Saban just always seems to want to reward senority, so Bateman was guaranteed to start that first game regardless of performance.
After he performs that is when Saban then uses the justification of their play to select who gets the reigns for the season.
After he performs that is when Saban then uses the justification of their play to select who gets the reigns for the season.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:35 am to YStar
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Saban just always seems to want to reward senority, so Bateman was guaranteed to start that first game regardless of performance.
After he performs that is when Saban then uses the justification of their play to select who gets the reigns for the season.
Well to be fair to Saban it's kind of hard to project how your QB will perform in a game when he isn't playing against the best defense in college football day in and day out.
I'm sure our defense doesn't do our QBs any favors in practice.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:42 am to YStar
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Saban just always seems to want to reward senority, so Bateman was guaranteed to start that first game regardless of performance.
I can't believe people actually believe this nonsense. Pretty sure CNS wants to win games more than any of us and will start whomever he believes gives us the best shot at winning regardless of seniority. It just so happens that QB, more than any other position, lends itself to someone who has had the time in the program. Regardless, if Hurts gives the team the best chance to win against USC then that's who CNS will start. And I'm absolutely fine with that. But don't think for a second that if Bateman starts it's because CNS is a sentimental old fool who's gifting it to Bateman. It'll be because he earned it just like every other starter out there.
Another thing I've never heard explained, if CNS just always starts the older QB, then why did he start Sophomore Bateman over Senior Coker against Ole Miss last year?
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 9:48 am
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:50 am to TideSaint
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Who, by the way, has done everything asked of him since he stepped on campus. For everyone who praised Anthony Averrit for doing the same thing, you should also do the same for Coop. He's earned it.
This I agree with 100%. I mentioned something similar about Blake Sims back when people were dog cussing him after the Ohio State loss. A program like Alabama needs the AA's, Cooper Bateman's, Dalvin Tomlinson's and prior to his change of heart, Mo Smith's.
Those guys provide reliable depth, leadership off the field (film study, etc), and respect for the team/program/process.
That being said, we want the team to be successful, so if a True Freshman (i.e. Minkah Fitzpatrick, Daron Payne, etc) comes in and gives the team a better chance to succeed by springing towards the top of the rotation, then I am excited for and pulling for the youngster as well.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:51 am to sarc
Get of your high horse.
For one who the hell said Saban doesn't want to win games? What the hell does respecting seniority have to do with that anyways?
Have you been sleeping the past two seasons where we have had the more senior QB start the first game, yet share time with the other option?
Did that mean Saban didn't want to win games?
It's like you were in a coma the last two years. Saban hasn't finalized any decisions and is still evaluating just like with Sims-Coker and just like with Coker-Bateman. The fact he gives the older player the nod to start first didn't mean whatever the hell you were trying to say.
For one who the hell said Saban doesn't want to win games? What the hell does respecting seniority have to do with that anyways?
Have you been sleeping the past two seasons where we have had the more senior QB start the first game, yet share time with the other option?
Did that mean Saban didn't want to win games?
It's like you were in a coma the last two years. Saban hasn't finalized any decisions and is still evaluating just like with Sims-Coker and just like with Coker-Bateman. The fact he gives the older player the nod to start first didn't mean whatever the hell you were trying to say.
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 9:56 am
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:53 am to sarc
I don't have a favorite candidate to land the job. If the Waterboy lined up back there and handed it off 70 times a game and we won the national championship, then it was worth it.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:54 am to sarc
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Another thing I've never heard explained, if CNS just always starts the older QB, then why did he start Sophomore Bateman over Senior Coker against Ole Miss last year?
Was Ole Miss the first game?
Do you even understand he was still evaluating who was going to be the starter at that point?
He starts every season with the upperclassman, then he lets the play of the players dictate where they land.
Coker starts first game of season, Bateman starts Ole Miss. That right there is the proof.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 9:57 am
Posted on 8/24/16 at 10:11 am to YStar
Let's be clear then. Are you or are you not claiming that CNS was always guarenteed to start Cooper Bateman against USC "regardless of performance" solely because he has seniority over the other options?
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 10:13 am
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