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Off Season Thread! All-Time Alabama Crimson Tide
Posted on 1/24/13 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 1/24/13 at 5:16 pm
This Roster was made from EA Sports and I consider it one of the best out there as far as starters and depth is concerned. Sadly, it is Pre-Nick Saban. So I ask you.... Who of this new Golden Age has cemented their place on this team as depth or maybe even a starter.
Max of FIVE at any one position
I don't know where in the depth I'd place them but locks would be Julio, Barrett, Fluker, Andre Smith, Terrance Cody, Hightower, Rolando, Barron, Marcell, A.J., and of course Mark and Trent
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ALL-ALABAMA
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QB 12 Joe Namath
12 Kenny Stabler
7 Jay Barker
10 Bart Starr
HB 22 Johnny Musso
37 Shaun Alexander
26 Bobby Humphrey
99 A.T.S. "Pooley" Hubert
58 Millard "Dixie" Howell
FB 80 Wilbur Jackson
33 Le'Ron McClain
57 Johnny Cain
38 Johnny Davis
WR 14 Don Hutson
2 David Palmer
25 Dennis Homan
84 David Bailey
TE 82 Ozzie Newsome
12 Paul Bryant
T 60 Chris Samuels
20 Don Whitmire
63 Jim Bunch
48 Fred Sington
G 73 John Hannah
70 Robert Pettee
73 Billy Neighbors
65 Buddy Brown
C 57 Dwight Stephenson
41 Vaughn Mancha
DE 94 John Copeland
98 Leroy Cook
80 Eric Curry
86 Keith McCants
DT 91 Bob Baumhower
93 Marty Lyons
78 Jon Hand
96 Jarret Johnson
OLB 55 Derrick Thomas
47 Woodrow Lowe
97 Cornelius Bennett
87 Dwayne Rudd
39 E.J. Junior
MLB 54 Lee Roy Jordan
77 Barry Krauss
35 DeMeco Ryans
CB 19 Jeremiah Castille
28 Don McNeal
43 Antonio Langham
34 Mike Washington
FS 15 Tommy Wilcox
37 Bobby Johns
SS 52 Harry Gilmer
13 George Teague
K 3 Van Tiffin
P 8 Greg Gantt
Max of FIVE at any one position
I don't know where in the depth I'd place them but locks would be Julio, Barrett, Fluker, Andre Smith, Terrance Cody, Hightower, Rolando, Barron, Marcell, A.J., and of course Mark and Trent
LIST
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ALL-ALABAMA
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QB 12 Joe Namath
12 Kenny Stabler
7 Jay Barker
10 Bart Starr
HB 22 Johnny Musso
37 Shaun Alexander
26 Bobby Humphrey
99 A.T.S. "Pooley" Hubert
58 Millard "Dixie" Howell
FB 80 Wilbur Jackson
33 Le'Ron McClain
57 Johnny Cain
38 Johnny Davis
WR 14 Don Hutson
2 David Palmer
25 Dennis Homan
84 David Bailey
TE 82 Ozzie Newsome
12 Paul Bryant
T 60 Chris Samuels
20 Don Whitmire
63 Jim Bunch
48 Fred Sington
G 73 John Hannah
70 Robert Pettee
73 Billy Neighbors
65 Buddy Brown
C 57 Dwight Stephenson
41 Vaughn Mancha
DE 94 John Copeland
98 Leroy Cook
80 Eric Curry
86 Keith McCants
DT 91 Bob Baumhower
93 Marty Lyons
78 Jon Hand
96 Jarret Johnson
OLB 55 Derrick Thomas
47 Woodrow Lowe
97 Cornelius Bennett
87 Dwayne Rudd
39 E.J. Junior
MLB 54 Lee Roy Jordan
77 Barry Krauss
35 DeMeco Ryans
CB 19 Jeremiah Castille
28 Don McNeal
43 Antonio Langham
34 Mike Washington
FS 15 Tommy Wilcox
37 Bobby Johns
SS 52 Harry Gilmer
13 George Teague
K 3 Van Tiffin
P 8 Greg Gantt
This post was edited on 1/24/13 at 5:23 pm
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 5:34 pm to Lordofwrath88
Where would y'all put AJ on that list? I was thinking about it recently.... Hes got to be one of the GOAT's at Alabama.
Posted on 1/24/13 at 8:41 pm to BAMAisDIESEL09
quote:I'd put him in front of Starr and Barker.
Where would y'all put AJ on that list? I was thinking about it recently.... Hes got to be one of the GOAT's at Alabama.
Posted on 1/24/13 at 8:48 pm to Lordofwrath88
Bart Starr didn't do too much while at Alabama and Jay Barker did even less. I have no idea why they are even on this list.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 1:02 am to RollTide1987
Ain't Jay the winningest Qb at Bama?
Posted on 1/25/13 at 2:44 am to tt54l32v
Jay won a N.C. and only lost like 1 or 2 games on the field.
He was a good un.
He was a good un.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 8:52 am to proudertider
Jay Barker may be the winningest QB in the history of Alabama football but very little of that had to do with him. Just take a look at these stats and tell me whether or not he is among our greatest quarterbacks:
1991: 33-56 (58.9%) 554 yds 1 TD 3 INT
1992: 132-243 (54.3%) 1,614 yds 7 TD 9 INT
1993: 98-171 (57.3%) 1,525 yds 4 TD 7 INT
1994: 139-226 (61.5%) 1,996 yds 14 TD 5 INT
In all but one year, his senior year, he threw more interceptions than touchdowns. He never threw for over 2,000 yards which, even in that particular era, is saying a lot. He may have more wins than any other Alabama quarterback, but that had more to do with the defense and running game than it had to do with Jay Barker.
1991: 33-56 (58.9%) 554 yds 1 TD 3 INT
1992: 132-243 (54.3%) 1,614 yds 7 TD 9 INT
1993: 98-171 (57.3%) 1,525 yds 4 TD 7 INT
1994: 139-226 (61.5%) 1,996 yds 14 TD 5 INT
In all but one year, his senior year, he threw more interceptions than touchdowns. He never threw for over 2,000 yards which, even in that particular era, is saying a lot. He may have more wins than any other Alabama quarterback, but that had more to do with the defense and running game than it had to do with Jay Barker.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 11:08 am to RollTide1987
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He may have more wins than any other Alabama quarterback, but that had more to do with the defense and running game than it had to do with Jay Barker.
Who would you include instead? Shealy? Sloan? McElroy? (not arguing I actually kind of agree, this is a video game's roster anyways)
EDIT: Julio Jones... I don't think you can put anyone above Don Hutson, but does Julio go above or under Heisman candidate David "The Deuce" Palmer?
This post was edited on 1/25/13 at 11:10 am
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:37 pm to Lordofwrath88
Well...since we're going pre-Saban I'd probably have to say Harry Gilmer. He played for Alabama in the 40s and was the star player on our 1945 undefeated Rose Bowl team. Pooley Hubert, who was quarterback in the '24 and '25 seasons, would also be a good choice.
But if we were to include players from the Saban Era that spot would most definitely belong to AJ McCarron. He, along with Nebraska's Tommie Frazier, are the only two quarterbacks to lead their team to back-to-back, unanimous national championships in the modern era. In fact, based on only what they did in college, I would go so far as to say McCarron is the best QB Alabama has ever had.
But if we were to include players from the Saban Era that spot would most definitely belong to AJ McCarron. He, along with Nebraska's Tommie Frazier, are the only two quarterbacks to lead their team to back-to-back, unanimous national championships in the modern era. In fact, based on only what they did in college, I would go so far as to say McCarron is the best QB Alabama has ever had.
This post was edited on 1/25/13 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:51 pm to proudertider
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Jay won a N.C.
Defense won the N.C. Jay turned around and handed the ball to Derrick Lassick and Sherman Williams. He was only really good his senior season. IMO AJ is 10 times better than Jay.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 2:36 pm to Aman
I may be the minority here, but I think Colin "Holla McGhee" Peek deserves to be on the TE's list. Guy was a gamer.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 4:39 pm to GAFF
Sadly, there are alot of players on that list that I don't know much on. If they weren't the "Big Names", I can't give a good enough guess.
I'd say, of "Since Saban" Players that would make it onto the list, it'd be:
AJ
Ingram
Trent
Julio
B. Jones
Warmack
Barron
Fluker and Andre were great lineman, but had flaws, and I don't know if they'd make the list. Basically, they're further away from Samuels, than Warmack and Jones are from Hannah and Stevenson.
The glutton of Defensive Line and Linebacker Talent, could make it hard to list Marcell, Cody, McClain, Upshaw and Hightower.
DB's are a bit of an issue too. Dre and Dee are high draft choices, superb CB's, but don't have the "INT stats" to show (cause teams often didn't throw their way). Lester was great to be in the right position for interceptions, but had pursuit and tackling problems.
I'd say Arenas probably would get a look in before all of them, when you add in the return yards and his solid CB play (plus, was the best corner blitzer Saban's had at Alabama)
It's crazy, but another season or 2 like his freshman year, and Cooper will be on that list.
Only players I'd consider being at the top of their position, would be AJ and Mark.
I'd say, of "Since Saban" Players that would make it onto the list, it'd be:
AJ
Ingram
Trent
Julio
B. Jones
Warmack
Barron
Fluker and Andre were great lineman, but had flaws, and I don't know if they'd make the list. Basically, they're further away from Samuels, than Warmack and Jones are from Hannah and Stevenson.
The glutton of Defensive Line and Linebacker Talent, could make it hard to list Marcell, Cody, McClain, Upshaw and Hightower.
DB's are a bit of an issue too. Dre and Dee are high draft choices, superb CB's, but don't have the "INT stats" to show (cause teams often didn't throw their way). Lester was great to be in the right position for interceptions, but had pursuit and tackling problems.
I'd say Arenas probably would get a look in before all of them, when you add in the return yards and his solid CB play (plus, was the best corner blitzer Saban's had at Alabama)
It's crazy, but another season or 2 like his freshman year, and Cooper will be on that list.
Only players I'd consider being at the top of their position, would be AJ and Mark.
This post was edited on 1/25/13 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 1/25/13 at 5:58 pm to LoneMDG
Anybody rem that pic of Mark Barron at msu in 09 where he is like 17 feet off the ground. That puts him on the list for me right there.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:24 pm to tt54l32v
It's ridiculous to have Starr & Jay Barker on the list. Starr is on there strictly from his fame with Green Bay. Barker had an excellent senior year, but was barely serviceable and on the verge of being pulled for 3 years prior.
Brodie Croyle, John Parker Wilson, & Greg McElroy have much better credentials based on performance and QB ratings
Brodie Croyle, John Parker Wilson, & Greg McElroy have much better credentials based on performance and QB ratings
Posted on 1/26/13 at 11:34 pm to LoneMDG
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Only players I'd consider being at the top of their position, would be AJ and Mark.
Which Mark? Ingram? No. Barron? Probably.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 7:28 am to BAMAisDIESEL09
AJ is the greatest QB of all time at Alabama imho.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 9:37 am to Lordofwrath88
For as much success Alabama has had throughout history, it has rarely been because of the QB.
Even the two biggest names from the past - Namath and Stabler - weren't really the focal points of the team. They were still the typical Alabama "game manager" QBs who won a ton of games.
Their stats, even when you consider the era, don't stand out against their contemporaries.
Namath's stats:
1962: 76/146 for 1192 yards, 52.1%, 13 TD / 8INT, 70 carries for 321 yards
1963: 63/128 for 765 yards, 49.2%, 7TD / 7INT, 76 rushes for 201 yards
1964: 64/100 for 756 yards, 64.0%, 5 TD / 4 INT, 44 rushes for 133 yards
Totals: 203/374 for 2,713 yards, 25 TDs / 19 INTs, 190 rushes for 655 yards
Stabler's stats:
1965: 3/11 for 26 yards, 27.3%, 0 TD / 0 INT, 61 rushes for 328 yards
1966: 74/114 for 956 yards, 64.9%, 9 TD / 5 INT, 93 rushes for 397 yards
1967: 103/178 for 1,214 yards, 57.9% 9 TD / 13 INT, 111 rushes for 113 yards
Totals:
180/303 for 2,196 yards, 59.4%, 18 TD / 18 INT, 265 rushes for 838 yards
Note that Steve Sloan in his one year as a starter between Namath and Stabler had much better passing numbers than Namath or Stabler ever had:
1965: 117/188 for 62.2%, 12 TD / 5 INT (didn't have as good of rushing stats but did score 6 rushing TDs)
Now Namath and Stabler were good, but you could argue that given their fame and the way people remember them now, they are the two most over rated QBs in Alabama history and two of the more over rated QBs in college football history. Again I'm not saying they weren't good, but they are remembered as "legends."
Namath might be one of the most over rated NFL QBs ever as well. NFL stats:
1,886/3,762 for 27,633 yards, 50.1%, 173 TD / 220 INT, Rating 65.5
Now he was a good QB with a solid career, but to be named one of the 100 NFL greatest players of the 20th Century by the Sporting News seems like a huge stretch.
Sorry for the tangent, but my point is that I would have no problem putting McCarron over both Namath and Stabler on this list. And with all due respect to McCarron, to say that he is the best QB in Alabama history speaks volumes to the amazing fact that Alabama has been one of the most successful college programs in history without any truly great QBs in my opinion and many times is winning despite very pedestrian QB play.
Even the two biggest names from the past - Namath and Stabler - weren't really the focal points of the team. They were still the typical Alabama "game manager" QBs who won a ton of games.
Their stats, even when you consider the era, don't stand out against their contemporaries.
Namath's stats:
1962: 76/146 for 1192 yards, 52.1%, 13 TD / 8INT, 70 carries for 321 yards
1963: 63/128 for 765 yards, 49.2%, 7TD / 7INT, 76 rushes for 201 yards
1964: 64/100 for 756 yards, 64.0%, 5 TD / 4 INT, 44 rushes for 133 yards
Totals: 203/374 for 2,713 yards, 25 TDs / 19 INTs, 190 rushes for 655 yards
Stabler's stats:
1965: 3/11 for 26 yards, 27.3%, 0 TD / 0 INT, 61 rushes for 328 yards
1966: 74/114 for 956 yards, 64.9%, 9 TD / 5 INT, 93 rushes for 397 yards
1967: 103/178 for 1,214 yards, 57.9% 9 TD / 13 INT, 111 rushes for 113 yards
Totals:
180/303 for 2,196 yards, 59.4%, 18 TD / 18 INT, 265 rushes for 838 yards
Note that Steve Sloan in his one year as a starter between Namath and Stabler had much better passing numbers than Namath or Stabler ever had:
1965: 117/188 for 62.2%, 12 TD / 5 INT (didn't have as good of rushing stats but did score 6 rushing TDs)
Now Namath and Stabler were good, but you could argue that given their fame and the way people remember them now, they are the two most over rated QBs in Alabama history and two of the more over rated QBs in college football history. Again I'm not saying they weren't good, but they are remembered as "legends."
Namath might be one of the most over rated NFL QBs ever as well. NFL stats:
1,886/3,762 for 27,633 yards, 50.1%, 173 TD / 220 INT, Rating 65.5
Now he was a good QB with a solid career, but to be named one of the 100 NFL greatest players of the 20th Century by the Sporting News seems like a huge stretch.
Sorry for the tangent, but my point is that I would have no problem putting McCarron over both Namath and Stabler on this list. And with all due respect to McCarron, to say that he is the best QB in Alabama history speaks volumes to the amazing fact that Alabama has been one of the most successful college programs in history without any truly great QBs in my opinion and many times is winning despite very pedestrian QB play.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:17 am to Lordofwrath88
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Who of this new Golden Age has cemented their place on this team as depth or maybe even a starter
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Max of FIVE at any one position
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QB 12 Joe Namath
12 Kenny Stabler
7 Jay Barker
10 Bart Starr
AJ McCarron
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HB 22 Johnny Musso
37 Shaun Alexander
26 Bobby Humphrey
99 A.T.S. "Pooley" Hubert
58 Millard "Dixie" Howell
Add Mark Ingram. I think Trent was better, but the only Heisman winner has to have special consideration for an "all-time" team. Remove Hubert.
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FB 80 Wilbur Jackson
33 Le'Ron McClain
57 Johnny Cain
38 Johnny Davis
Trent Richardson. Yea, I cheated.
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WR 14 Don Hutson
2 David Palmer
25 Dennis Homan
84 David Bailey
Julio Jones
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T 60 Chris Samuels
20 Don Whitmire
63 Jim Bunch
48 Fred Sington
Andre Smith
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G 73 John Hannah
70 Robert Pettee
73 Billy Neighbors
65 Buddy Brown
Chance Warmack
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C 57 Dwight Stephenson
41 Vaughn Mancha
Barrett Jones
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DE 94 John Copeland
98 Leroy Cook
80 Eric Curry
86 Keith McCants
Marcel Dareus
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DT 91 Bob Baumhower
93 Marty Lyons
78 Jon Hand
96 Jarret Johnson
Terrance Cody
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MLB 54 Lee Roy Jordan
77 Barry Krauss
35 DeMeco Ryans
Rolando McClain
Donta Hightower
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CB 19 Jeremiah Castille
28 Don McNeal
43 Antonio Langham
34 Mike Washington
Dee Millner
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FS 15 Tommy Wilcox
37 Bobby Johns
Rashad Johnson
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SS 52 Harry Gilmer
13 George Teague
Mark Barron
Not that hard IMO
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