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Now that "work on things" season is over, what can we expect offensively Saturday?

Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:31 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:31 pm
Vanderbilt has a very solid defense. They are well coached and won't make many mistakes. By this point in the season we should feel like we have an identity in how we play and how we play call.

What do you think we will look like Saturday? Start out running downhill? Start out running read-option? Play backwards and have Jalen stretch them sideline to sideline with quick throws and a few play-action shots early?

I'm very interested to see, because I'm not really exactly sure what to expect.
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 4:32 pm
Posted by Kcoyote
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:35 pm to
Run, run, QB run, dink and dunk passing, more runs, play action over the top TD.

Repeat.

Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:48 pm to
Read option and the rpo will probably be our staple and probably should be with Hurts leading the way. I expect to come out with the short passing game on first down a lot with second down predominantly a running down then third down dictated by distance. Vandy has a good defense but I predict at least 38 points honestly.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:50 pm to
quote:

what can we expect offensively Saturday?


A little of this, a little of that, bout 6-16 on 3rd downs, bunch of short passes, long Jalen runs, Bo for about 30 on 10 carries, a missed FG.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:55 pm to
I've been a bit surprised we haven't seen any RPO hot route release passes to a tight end/slot receiver down the middle.

The way our backs and Jalen run, that should be there at least 4 or 5 times a game. It also makes the MLB and safeties hold back for 1-2 seconds before gangrushing the line.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 5:02 pm to
We've shown a lot of throws to backs in the last couple of games. I think you'll see a lot of between the tackles downhill running with a good mix of play action, roll out RPO off of it - and I think it will be devastatingly effective.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 8:32 pm to
I expect them to tear Vandy a new butthole.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 7:15 am to
The patterns emerging with Jalen Hurts passing plays | al.com
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The discussion about what's changing with Alabama's offense continues three weeks into Brian Daboll's time in the headset.

The questions are well known at this point. Most centered on the use of second-year quarterback Jalen Hurts. As SEC play dawns, patterns are emerging as to how Daboll is using Hurts within a slightly retooled Crimson Tide offense.

His efficient night against Colorado State showed the balance within Hurts' game. A 167.65 passer rating ranks 22nd nationally while his 104.0-yard rushing average makes him the 28th best ball carrier in the nation.

Through three games, most of the passing plays have been short routes designed for one target with the option to take off. The jet sweep of the Lane Kiffin era is used more as a decoy than a quick pass.

The Colorado State performance had all the elements of the plan regarding Hurts. Seven of his 17 throws were screen passes. Two more completions were caught at the line of scrimmage.

Last week, Hurts said he favored the quick strikes.

"I think it allows you to catch a rhythm," he said.

There were a few big plays in the passing game with touchdowns going to Calvin Ridley and Robert Foster. The first, a 78-yarder to Ridley, was a fake read option with a throw 20 yards down the middle. Foster's traveled 10 yards to the sideline before the senior cut up the middle for a 52-yard touchdown.

Hurts threw where he looked first both times. Of his 11 runs, three appeared to be called passes where he dropped into the pocket, surveyed the field and ran. That's the advantage of having a quarterback who doesn't have to toss those balls into the crowd. The first of those three runs went 27 yards for a touchdown on the first possession. Another ended with an 11-yard run. Only once did he bail from the pocket, roll to the right and throw it away.

The final passing numbers included 12 completions on 17 throws with the two scores and 248 yards. The relatively safe throws kept interceptions out of the equations. Defenders are rarely in the passing lane with the throws designed and Hurts hasn't recorded an interception in six games.

It also helps with completion percentages. Hurts is 26th in the country at 67.9 percent after the last two games. He was 77.8 percent against Fresno State and 70.6 percent Saturday without the benefit of the jet sweep tosses that boosted his freshman number to 62.8 percent.

Of Hurts' five incompletions against Colorado State, three were deep balls safely over-thrown -- two to Ridley and another to Foster.

The running back screens aren't check downs either. That explains why Bo Scarbrough is the second-leading pass catcher with Damien Harris tied for third.

The notable exception to all of that came on Hurts' final throw of the night. Late in the third quarter, he dropped in the pocket, looked to multiple options before hitting DeVonta Smith coming across the middle on a well-thrown ball caught 18 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.

"Just going through my progressions," Hurts later described it, "high to low and try to make a nice ball."

The planned runs also fed off the passing game. Several times Hurts faked screen passes to freeze defenders for a planned run. A few could be run-pass options, though some were clearly fakes. The longest planned run was a 14-yard gain on his first carry, a read option.

It doesn't look like Daboll's offense is asking for Hurts to scan the field too often and make different reads. It's just more efficient to allow Hurts to run when the first option or two isn't open in the passing game...
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 7:19 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/18/17 at 7:19 am to
quote:

Jalen Hurts vs. Colorado State

Pass

1. Screen to Damien Harris 17 yards.

2. Fake read option, quick throw to Ridley who was first read, 20 yards down the middle for 78-yard touchdown

3. Fake jet sweep, throw to first read Ridley at line of scrimmage for 12 yards.

4. Screen to Harris, first read for 8 yards

5. Incomplete, over throw to Ridley, first read down field go-route

6. Screen to Ridley for 2 yards

7. Quick out to Cam Sims, seven yards downfield, first read for 7 yards

8. Incomplete, throw away after 5.2 seconds in pocket

9. Screen to Scarbrough for 11 yards

10. Incomplete, in pocket, scrambled right and overthrow deep ball to Ridley

11. Drop back, throw 10 yards downfield to Robert Foster, first or second look, cuts up middle for 52-yard touchdown

12. Screen to Scarbrough going left on third down for 12 yards

13. Screen incomplete to Ridley

14. Screen to Scarbrough on third down up middle for 13 yards

15. Incomplete going deep down field to Robert Foster, slightly overthrown

16. Rolling right, first read to Miller Forristall at line, runs for 12 yards

17. Fake jet, play action, surveyed the field, hit DeVonta Smith 18 yards down field for 24 yards.

Run

1. Read option, 14 yards

2. Fake drop back, planned run straight ahead 6 yards

3. Drop in pocket, looked and ran for touchdown 27 yards

4. Drop in pocket, surveyed, rolled to the right, tucked after 7.3 seconds and ran no gain

5. Fake screen to Najee Harris, run up the middle, 6 yards

6. Drop in pocket, looked 3.2 seconds and ran 11 yards

7. Straight power run with Scarbrough leading way 4 yards

8. Read option, 5 yards

9. Fake screen to Damien Harris on third down, runs for first down 6 yards

10. Fake screen to Scarbrough, up middle for 9 yards

11. Fake screen to Scarbrough, run for 15 yards.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21660 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 8:06 am to
I kind of think what we've seen is what we're going to get at this point. They'll continue to improve upon what they're doing, but I don't think it's going to look drastically different than what we've seen. The good news is, three games in, I'm now willing to semi-confidently say that Hurts is playing well. He's a different kind of QB than we're accustomed to, but he can be effective. His passes look good. It seems we're going to either run a RB, throw to the first option, or run Jalen. I'm a little concerned about how that will work against teams that can stop the two running options. But, maybe no team can.

Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 8:34 am to
A commentator made an interesting point during the game Saturday about Jalen's progressions. He mentioned that maybe the staff doesn't want him to go through all of his progressions because he can't hurt the defense more by running, especially when they are in man.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:08 am to
quote:

A commentator made an interesting point during the game Saturday about Jalen's progressions. He mentioned that maybe the staff doesn't want him to go through all of his progressions because he can't hurt the defense more by running, especially when they are in man.

I think it's more this -- during the progressions, Saban & Daboll want him to run if/when he spots a good opening to exploit.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 9:30 am
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11110 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:41 am to
What I saw in their game against K State was that they were walking safeties/hybrids down to the LOS in the 2nd half to squeeze the corners and daring them to hit quick reads before the pressure could get home.

K State was limited at receiver, mostly possession guys but the throws were there when he read blitz effectively.

I expect a similar plan against us if they think they can hold up at DL without help which is a big if.

The game will hinge on Hurts ability to read blitz and hit a quick read as they can't cover Ridley/Foster/etc man up and our interior OL against their DL. If we can go downhill they will have to make impossible decisions about what to take away and would need turnovers to stay in it IMO.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:41 am to
It shouldn't be surprising since the story came from AL.com, but this breakdown isn't accurate.

Almost none of the passes to running backs that they call screens are actually screen passes. Most of them were either swing routes to the back coming out or RPO passes off off of a rollout. We didn't do either one of those thing very much last season and IMO they're going to be highly effective all season.

Damien Harris and Bo Scarborough caught a total of 18 passes in all of 2016. They've already caught 11 this year and we just finished game 3.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21660 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:54 am to
quote:

Almost none of the passes to running backs that they call screens are actually screen passes. Most of them were either swing routes to the back coming out or RPO passes off off of a rollout. We didn't do either one of those thing very much last season and IMO they're going to be highly effective all season.


I do like the passes to the RB's. They've been very effective so far. Jacobs could be a monster in this area.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:58 am to
Yea, the pressure release swing throws to backs are fantastic. It really slows the ability of the defense to bring guys and set up a semi circle mush against Hurts. He's recognizing and making those throws really well too.

One thing last year, even when he struggled he always had excellent touch on those quick short throws. People laughed like it was a given, but a lot of guys do not throw those balls well. If you throw those quick throws behind guys or offline it destroys the play. He's very good at it.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
14470 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:21 am to
I expect Jalen to have a big day on the ground (KSU's QB ran for 125); safe passes; take a shot over the top if we can get their safeties to come up. I also am hoping to see Josh Jacobs on the field. I think that guy is an X-factor.

Vandy's defense is solid, but their offense isn't that good. I expect the game plan to reflect that - take care of the football, take what the defense gives you.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:32 am to
As an aside, it says a lot about the state of the SEC (and not in a good way) when Alabama-Vandy is the CBS game of the week.

Posted by MagillaGuerilla
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Member since Nov 2009
35444 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:32 am to
It's the most notable thing Daboll has brought from the Pats, they always have a back who catches 7-8 balls a game.

Take the yardage any way you can get it...
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:42 am to
I expect a close game with Vandy until late in the game. The game plan if I'm drawing it up: ground and pound. Lots of runs straight ahead, short safe throws with an occasional defense-stretcher deep to Ridley or Foster. We need long sustained drives that will eventually wear out Vandy and bring their lack of depth into play. Then bring in Bo in the 4th to pound them into submission. The keys are to stay ahead of the chains running the ball, getting in 2nd and 6 and 3rd and 3 a lot, sustain the drives putting together 10+ play sequences, and taking advantage of scoring opportunities as they present themselves. Can't go 3 and out or get behind in this game or we are playing to Vandy's strengths and keep them in the game. Get up by 2 scores and start the Anaconda effect.
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