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re: Lucky says Hurts has won the coaches and team
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:25 am to prevatt33
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:25 am to prevatt33
Your blind support of Bateman is illogical.
You have no proof Bateman has improved, on the contrary everyone has reported he has not. You're just wishing he has.. all the while you're ignoring the many reports that state Hurts had been the best in camp so far.
Also you're missing the point again. Nobody is against checkdowns, they just can't be your only means of passing. They are Bateman's only means to complete the ball.
You can't beat offensive teams like Clemson with only checkdowns.
Stop fooling yourself
You have no proof Bateman has improved, on the contrary everyone has reported he has not. You're just wishing he has.. all the while you're ignoring the many reports that state Hurts had been the best in camp so far.
Also you're missing the point again. Nobody is against checkdowns, they just can't be your only means of passing. They are Bateman's only means to complete the ball.
You can't beat offensive teams like Clemson with only checkdowns.
Stop fooling yourself
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 12:30 am
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:38 am to YStar
While most everyone is tired of having to win games in spite of the QB, I think we're also a little too comfortable with the notion of there always being that older guy who can step in a be just enough to not screw things up.
Alabama might not have the guy this year. Hell, it doesn't look like they have that guy this year. While we hope that Hurts wins the job because of what he potentially brings...Alabama might actually NEED him to start.
Bateman isn't just forcing the offense to be vanilla as hell. He's doing that while also making mistakes. That.will.not.cut.it.
If the OL is solid, and the defense is as good as it seems to be, mistakes can be overcome if they also come with the things that Hurts has the potential to bring.
Alabama might not have the guy this year. Hell, it doesn't look like they have that guy this year. While we hope that Hurts wins the job because of what he potentially brings...Alabama might actually NEED him to start.
Bateman isn't just forcing the offense to be vanilla as hell. He's doing that while also making mistakes. That.will.not.cut.it.
If the OL is solid, and the defense is as good as it seems to be, mistakes can be overcome if they also come with the things that Hurts has the potential to bring.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 1:11 am to YStar
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everyone has reported he has not.
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They are Bateman's only means to complete the ball.
Hyperbole has no place in a logical discussion.
All I'm saying is I think Bateman obviously brings some good stuff to the table, as evidence by his being in the thick of things 2 years running on the most talented roster in CFB. And I also think that while Hurts seems to definitely be the future, he might not be ready TODAY.
Personally, I don't fully believe some guy who raves about Hurts scrambling in scrimmage/practice. Why? Was the play designed to do that? Is that what we wanted on the play? Or did he completely misread the play and abandon our scheme? It looks good to some schmuck who twets it, but what is really going on? And only the coaches/players know.
My point is that until I see a true freshman play with my own eyes and show himself to be legit, I reserve the right to be skeptical. And I think Bateman does some things well, well enough to win a championship. The idea that Bateman is awful is not factual. He's not amazing, nor is he awful. He's somewhere in between, and given his command of the O, he might be our best option.
I've seen too many videos and found too many folks saying complimentary things of Bateman to disregard him at this point. You are ignoring those reports.
I'm not ready to anoint the kid yet. However, play the best, no matter who it is.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 1:13 am
Posted on 8/23/16 at 1:21 am to ReauxlTide222
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Bateman isn't just forcing the offense to be vanilla as hell. He's doing that while also making mistakes.
Not true. Bateman has not made a lot of mistakes this fall. Count his turnovers in 2 scrimmages versus Hurts and I believe they are tied.
And we don't become "too vanilla" with him in the game. Unless you've personally watched all of our practices 100%, you can't say that. That just what you want to believe. And nothing I will say can change that.
I'm sorry you and everyone else got your feelings hurt by Bateman's first Q against Ole Miss. He should have kept it a few times. But your assumption that Bateman obviously sucks horribly and Hurts is Jesus in cleats means that you're asserting that the best coach in CFB has his head squarely up his arse and is considering making a huge mistake potentially playing Bateman.
What has Saban ever done to make you think he'd potentially play a worse player at any position? Bateman's in the thick of the race for a reason. He may not win the job, but the hyperbole on this board is crazy.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 1:57 am to TizzyT4theUofA
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Lucky says Hurts has won the coaches and team
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:03 am to prevatt33
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prevatt33
Cooper, is that you?
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:09 am to vuvuzela
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:51 am to prevatt33
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Hyperbole has no place in a logical discussion.
Agreed.
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Hurts is Jesus in cleats
Ooops.
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And we don't become "too vanilla" with him in the game. Unless you've personally watched all of our practices 100%, you can't say that.
Unless you've personally watched 100% of the practices how can you say the opposite? Statements like a particular QB has won the coaches and the team is a strong indication that people that have been at 100% of the practices are seeing something.
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you're asserting that the best coach in CFB has his head squarely up his arse
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the hyperbole on this board is crazy.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 5:39 am to prevatt33
This post and your other recent posts have been filled with hyperbole.
I think you meant "hyperbole has no place in logical discussion if it isn't being used to support Bateman".
I think you meant "hyperbole has no place in logical discussion if it isn't being used to support Bateman".
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 5:40 am
Posted on 8/23/16 at 7:20 am to YStar
It's all mental masturbation, and we'll know the outcome in about 11 days.
The obviously best longterm scenario would be if Bateman won the job, played lights out and won another SEC and national title. That would probably entail that Hurts and Barnett would still be around next year, and Tagovailoa would sign on and they'd all battle it out in 17.
If, on the other hand, Hurts is the starter this year, then Barnett probably transfers and Tagovailoa may very well decide to do something else.
Like I said above, it's mental masturbation and nothing any of us says or thinks will have the slightest bearing on who trots out with the first team on September 3 (Just call me Captain Obvious). The discussion beats rotating tires, though, so there is that.
The obviously best longterm scenario would be if Bateman won the job, played lights out and won another SEC and national title. That would probably entail that Hurts and Barnett would still be around next year, and Tagovailoa would sign on and they'd all battle it out in 17.
If, on the other hand, Hurts is the starter this year, then Barnett probably transfers and Tagovailoa may very well decide to do something else.
Like I said above, it's mental masturbation and nothing any of us says or thinks will have the slightest bearing on who trots out with the first team on September 3 (Just call me Captain Obvious). The discussion beats rotating tires, though, so there is that.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 7:23 am
Posted on 8/23/16 at 7:24 am to Huddie Leadbetter
Why would Tagovailoa go elsewhere? If Hurts isn't redshirted this year but like most freshman QBs Tagovailoa is redshirted next year than Hurts will be 2 years ahead of him.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 8:30 am to 1BamaRTR
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Why would Tagovailoa go elsewhere?
Why? For the simple reason that some hot shot high school players want to and expect to play immediately.
You might have missed that he... "may very well decide to do something else". "May decide" being the key words. I didn't say he would, but that he may. Big difference.
edit: In any event, I doubt St. Nick Saban makes decisions depending on what some high school player "may decide" later.
I did also note that it was all mental masturbation. It's just discussion.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 8:33 am
Posted on 8/23/16 at 8:33 am to Huddie Leadbetter
Disagree because I believe Hurts not RS and playing only helps in keeping Tua. It would show that Barnett is already getting passed and that Hurts only has one guy in front of him. One guy that would only be two more years probably once he arrives. Hurts starting eliminates competition for an incoming QB.
But in the end if Hurts starts not concerned about a QB in next years class.
But in the end if Hurts starts not concerned about a QB in next years class.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 8:44 am to TideWarrior
It's a lot better "problem" to have, anyway, than no capable quarterbacks on the team, or committed for the next recruiting year. I'm pretty sure Bateman, Barnett, or Hurts would all start at Auburn.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:17 am to Five0
@ Five0 and ystar:
I did not use hyperbole in the discussion at hand, i.e. Bateman versus Hurts. I did, however, use hyperbole in referencing the use of hyperbole by others in this thread. It was actually pretty simple and straightforward. But I understand how, you guys being simpletons and all, that you missed it.
I did not use hyperbole in the discussion at hand, i.e. Bateman versus Hurts. I did, however, use hyperbole in referencing the use of hyperbole by others in this thread. It was actually pretty simple and straightforward. But I understand how, you guys being simpletons and all, that you missed it.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 11:19 am
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:18 am to prevatt33
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But I understand how, you guys being simpletons and all, that you missed it.
Easy big fella.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:30 am to FleshEatingSalsa
Sure, my bad. 
to all. But holy hell, can we pump the brakes on both hyping the freshman and bashing the junior?
to all. But holy hell, can we pump the brakes on both hyping the freshman and bashing the junior? 
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:36 am to prevatt33
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But holy hell, can we pump the brakes on both hyping the freshman and bashing the junior?
Regardless of what people on here are saying about either candidate it's not going to affect who Saban starts. People are allowed to voice their opinions here. It's all good.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:13 pm to prevatt33
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But I understand how, you guys being simpletons and all, that you missed it.
You just a big of a buzz kill on here as you were on the Wooly.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:20 pm to 14&Counting
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You just a big of a buzz kill on here as you were on the Wooly.
*as big...
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