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re: How much do you think Hurts has improved?
Posted on 4/23/17 at 7:16 pm to Bham Bammer
Posted on 4/23/17 at 7:16 pm to Bham Bammer
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The guy won SEC offensive player of the year as a true freshman and many of our fans think his performance was "inadequate."
Given the immense talent around him and tje weakest SEC in 15 years, Nick Marshal could have done the same. The couple of times that he was bottled up and actually had to play QB instead of backyard ball he was easily the worst QB in the league (and yes I watched LSU).
Posted on 4/23/17 at 8:16 pm to Bham Bammer
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The guy won SEC offensive player of the year as a true freshman and many of our fans think his performance was "inadequate." Like I said, that's the nature of the position, at least when you're dealing with spoiled-arse Alabama fans.
Ah, the "Any criticism of the team is because you're spoiled" argument. Good ol' ad hominem.
Tired of that POTY award getting trotted out as though it dispels the fact that his play was just flat out bad at the end of the season. He won it based on running ability, the incredible hype train, and the lack of quality competition elsewhere in the SEC. We win the NC with adequate QB play, period. Without one of the greatest defenses of all time, that team loses probably 3 regular season games.
smh at the huge percentage of Bama fans that are shutting down legitimate criticism of Hurts due to an infatuation with the idea of "OH MY GAWWWWD TRUE FRESHMAN?!!??!!" Freshmen have been playing QB at major colleges for three decades now fellas. But at least that's preferable to the laughable "It's cause he's black" argument.
This post was edited on 4/23/17 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 4/23/17 at 8:18 pm to TomRollTideRitter
quote:Guys were rarely wide open and if they were he rarely looked their way. He only had a small handful of completed deep throws all season.
When guys were wide open deep, he hit them.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 9:08 pm to CrimsonCrusade
He played top defenses at the end of the year. Defenses that had time to watch his film, figure out how to make him uncomfortable and to take away the things he likes.
It seems to happen basically every year come October the QB has troubles etc.
It's why our run game is so important. It takes pressure off the QB and Sark just up and forgot about it after Bo got hurt.
It seems to happen basically every year come October the QB has troubles etc.
It's why our run game is so important. It takes pressure off the QB and Sark just up and forgot about it after Bo got hurt.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 9:13 pm to CrimsonCrusade
You're spoiled. Doesn't mean you are wrong, but you are most definitely spoiled.
Having QB's this good is not something I'm used to at all. If we can't win with these QB's, then it's probably not the QB's fault.
Having QB's this good is not something I'm used to at all. If we can't win with these QB's, then it's probably not the QB's fault.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 9:23 pm to 3down10
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You're spoiled. Doesn't mean you are wrong, but you are most definitely spoiled. Having QB's this good is not something I'm used to at all. If we can't win with these QB's, then it's probably not the QB's fault.
Dude we've had one objectively good QB under Saban - AJ McCarron. As much as I loved some of the other guys, they couldn't even sniff the NFL. Brodie Croyle was better than 5/6 of Saban's QBs.
Jalen is another guy with no future in the NFL. Tua, on the other hand, is a natural passer and actually does have an NFL future, so our fans are understandably excited about his potential
Posted on 4/23/17 at 9:28 pm to 3down10
A lot of Bama fans don't want to hear this but we have an athlete playing QB. He's adequate most of the time but he's never gonna win a game with his arm. Not until he learns how to hit the intermediate stuff consistently. You can't make a living throwing deep all the time. It's a low percentage completion. If we face a team that forces us to put up 300 yards through the air to win, we're screwed.
BTW, believe it or not, I'm not a Jalen basher. I love his presence in the huddle and his athletic ability. But I'm also a realist enough to know he's not a great QB. He's not even a very good QB. He's a very good, athletic leader who is surrounded by enough talent to hide his flaws most of the time. Most, but not all.
Tua has a better upside. We should use this year to develop Tua until the game slows down for him then either rotate Tua and Jalen or find another way to utilize them both.
BTW, believe it or not, I'm not a Jalen basher. I love his presence in the huddle and his athletic ability. But I'm also a realist enough to know he's not a great QB. He's not even a very good QB. He's a very good, athletic leader who is surrounded by enough talent to hide his flaws most of the time. Most, but not all.
Tua has a better upside. We should use this year to develop Tua until the game slows down for him then either rotate Tua and Jalen or find another way to utilize them both.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 10:10 pm to 1BamaRTR
I agree, but that's what he showed yesterday. Other than the throw to Ridley to tie it at 24, the deep balls were no better than what he threw against USC last year.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 10:11 pm to TomRollTideRitter
I didn't really want this to turn into another Jalen sucks/ Jalen is the GOAT thread. Should've expected it to.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 11:02 pm to uofarolltide
I know nothing when it comes to evaluating talent.
But I do know this: The backup QB is always the best QB on the team.
Year after year.
But I do know this: The backup QB is always the best QB on the team.
Year after year.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:29 am to 3down10
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But I do know this: The backup QB is always the best QB on the team. Year after year.
Except for when AJ McCarron and Jacob Coker were starting... The backup QB is always better when the first string guy isn't cutting it
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:17 am to CrimsonCrusade
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Freshmen have been playing QB at major colleges for three decades now fellas.
Yeah and they generally show a lot of the same things. Slow reads, lack of pocket presence and general inconsistency. They also almost always suck against actual good defenses. Hurts had three bad games against three great defenses.
I'm not saying he should be above criticism. I just don't understand why some people are so eager to replace him and likely go through the same growing pains a consecutive year.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:04 am to imraged
I have to admit that I hadn't seen the whole spring game before responding to this. I actually changed my mind. I think given 3 months since the Clemson game, Jalen has improved a lot. I think it's helping that they're actually asking him to throw downfield.
I'll also say this: Jalen is definitely our best QB right now, no question.
He was in the spring game dealing with a pretty gnarly pass rush, and doing a good job. Our first team DBs aren't a bunch of scrubs.
Jalen's strengths are the intangibles that don't show up in a spring game. Comfortably avoiding the rush. Being able to pick up 25 yards with his feet at any time. Hitting the check down.
Tua couldn't do anything against the 1s.
Jalen still has a long long way to go as a passer, but as someone else pointed out, he'll have more time to develop before FSU than he did for this spring game. I think we're gonna be in good shape come fall
I'll also say this: Jalen is definitely our best QB right now, no question.
He was in the spring game dealing with a pretty gnarly pass rush, and doing a good job. Our first team DBs aren't a bunch of scrubs.
Jalen's strengths are the intangibles that don't show up in a spring game. Comfortably avoiding the rush. Being able to pick up 25 yards with his feet at any time. Hitting the check down.
Tua couldn't do anything against the 1s.
Jalen still has a long long way to go as a passer, but as someone else pointed out, he'll have more time to develop before FSU than he did for this spring game. I think we're gonna be in good shape come fall
Posted on 4/24/17 at 6:37 am to phil4bama
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A lot of Bama fans don't want to hear this but we have an athlete playing QB. He's adequate most of the time but he's never gonna win a game with his arm.
So how did he throw for nearly 3000 yards with no deep ball?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:07 am to TomRollTideRitter
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Better deep ball but that was already okay last year
I don't know what Jalen Hurts you were watching last year, but his deep ball was terrible. If you ONLY look at whether they were completed or not, I guess it might look like he was a little better than he actually was. But, most of his longer completions were off the mark, and the receiver adjusted and made the catch. There was a huge improvement in that area Saturday. He hit multiple deep throws IN STRIDE.
He still has plenty to work on. But, if he can continue to do what he did Saturday, I'd MUCH rather see him in there than another true freshman. Freshmen will get you beat. Tua IS a more naturally gifted passer, and in the long run, I think he'll probably be the better QB. But, I value Hurts' experience over Tua's better passing IF Jalen can continue what he showed Saturday. And, I'm not sure he can. But, I HATE true freshmen QB's. They're for teams that aren't trying to win NC's.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:51 am to phil4bama
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BTW, believe it or not, I'm not a Jalen basher. I love his presence in the huddle and his athletic ability. But I'm also a realist enough to know he's not a great QB.
Does anyone think Jalen sort of reminds you of Tebow? Amazing athlete, great leader with a knack for making plays but an average at best passer.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 9:05 am to Teague
I don't think his deep ball was terrible last year. I didn't say it was good, but it wasn't terrible. It's certainly better now, but like I said most of his deep completions Saturday the receiver had at least 3 yards of separation.
His deep ball was certainly not the area he needed to improve the most. That was my point, and it's the only area I saw much improvement in.
His deep ball was certainly not the area he needed to improve the most. That was my point, and it's the only area I saw much improvement in.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 11:01 am to uofarolltide
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Jalen is another guy with no future in the NFL.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 11:36 am to uofarolltide
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xcept for when AJ McCarron and Jacob Coker were starting... The backup QB is always better when the first string guy isn't cutting it
Everyone wanted Barnett instead of Coker as I recall. I couldn't even begin to count the number of times I heard the phrase: "We'll never win a championship with Coker as QB".
And oh yeah, don't forget when Coker was the backup to Sims and everyone talked about how we could have won it with Coker that year.
We were lucky enough to have AJ start for 3 years, so by the 3rd year after winning 2 national championships you are right, it wasn't about the backup. Still I remember hearing bout how good a passer Cornwell was going to be.
When McElroy was QB all people talked about was wanting AJ(or Simms).
It's basically the same thing year after year really.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:19 pm to Donkeypunch
Nick Marshall was a good college quarterback. Why do you keep using his name like he was Spencer Pennington?
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