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Posted on 9/3/17 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 1:57 pm
Jalen has improved. He had better timing, and better touch on his passes. The TD to 3 was perfectly thrown, and the pass to 11 late in the game probably should have been caught, but either way was an even more impressive pass than the one to 3 earlier. That was a difficult pass, and it was placed perfectly.
No way to really grade Hurts however due to him running for his life all night. I saw a lot of "their QB is better than ours" on the message boards last night to which I would ask which one protected the football better ? Francois turnovers sunk the FSU ship. Hurts made good decisions, and protected the ball. BTW Francois finished the night with a QBR of 18; Hurts had a QBR of 30. So there's that.
To those wanting to see Tua... I do believe a mortal TF would have had a nervous breakdown having to deal with that much pressure last night. Hurts is one of only a couple of QB's in the country that could have prevented Bama from losing 60 or 70 yards worth of sacks last night. Remember that. Hurts can handle the bright lights.
The young WR's didn't have much of an impact, but watching them run routes their speed is impressive. 11 and 6 are going to stretch the field sooner than later. One time I'd like to see 3, 4, 6, and 11 run fly routes simultaneously. lol
No more hype. The. Defense. Has. Reloaded. No doubt about it.
Buggs is/was a monster last night. Extremely powerful player that was very disruptive for FSU when he was on the field. Getting him from lsu was huge. 99, 49, 94, 69, etc., monsters lol
SDH may have lost a half of a half step, but he reads plays so quickly it allows him to make plays one after the other. You hear coach talking about "eye discipline" - SDH is the master of eye discipline. I'd like to see that knee brace come off, but other than that SDH really is such an important piece of this defense. He reminds me of of Demeco Ryans.
Thank the heavens the game plan was to actually utilize the depth on the roster last night ! Players were being rotated early and often last night. Young players were being trusted to perform, and they did. Bama has no depth advantage if they don't utilize the depth ! If Bama utilized their depth vs Clemson more efficiently maybe Bama is looking to three-peat this season. It looks to me like a long film study of the Clemson game led the staff to believe that the second, or maybe third string 5 star is a better player than the gassed first string 5 star. lol Lets all hope so.
Clearly there was a lot to be desired from the OL. I was never a big fan of moving an AA RT to LT. If it works out then 73 makes some extra money down the road, but if it doesn't work out you've set back the development and performance of your OL IMO. I thought 73 had an average game at LT which is nothing to be ashamed of vs the likes of FSU, but I thought his replacement at RT 77 really struggled. My opinion is 73 would have solidified the right side, and one of the other 5 stars could have probably played at an "average" level at LT. JMHO
Other than that I'm gonna agree with CNS, and admit it's really hard to grade OL without watching the game over and over specifically watching each OL every snap. Something is wrong in there, and I'm sure they'll work to iron it out. The good news is some of the poor performance was letting guys on the edges run free due to blown assignments, or a lack of communication. That can be fixed, but I still think we are going to have a different RT at some point this season.
With all that said I'd pay 20 bucks to get a sideline shot of Brent Key, CNS, or Hurts grabbing some OL facemask, and chewing some asses ! Somebody on this team needs to light a fire under this units arse !
I would love to know why Bama refuses to let Hurts get under center ? Please. Someone, anyone, tell us why ?
How about inside the 10 yard line ? Can we get the QB under center inside the 10, and let these RB's hit the hole with some speed ? WTF ! I thought we were going more Pro ? Hell if its gonna be shotgun all night then run the damn jet sweep a couple times ! lol
Levi Wallace should no longer be referred to as "the former walk on." That kid can play.
Bama has got to let Tony Brown rush the passer more. He's so damn fast, and physical. Me personally I'd find a way to utilize Brown more often in the pass rush. I'd take brown over fitz in that role.
How did the former NE staffer manage to not hit the TE's last night with all that pressure on the edges ? Anyone ?
Not one single screen ? Not one ?
How about those passes to the RB's ? Where did those go ? Bo came within a fingernail of breaking one on the swing early.
Long story short was not impressed with Daboll ability to dial something up to give Hurts some help with all that pressure.
Moses looks legit. He's a natural football player. What we all would have given to have that combination of physical and athletic ability ammaright ?
Holcombe is underrated. With all these LB injuries the good news is Holcombe, Wilson, Moses, and maybe Allen will get more PT. If everyone comes back healthy it only helps the depth long term to get these guys more reps.
JK minus the brainfart was possibly the biggest weapon in the game which is weird to say of a punter.
I'm sure Diggs was told to play everything safe last night, but he is clearly not the next Eddie Jackson or Javy, or even Cyrus at PR. I'd like to see Ruggs sooner than later get a crack at PR.
Great win. Like coach said he knows where this team is now, and has the luxury of finding out what needs tinkering with without a loss. Thats huge.
Hopefully none of these injuries are serious. Lewis would be a big loss. Big. That kid is beast mode.
Jimbo had his team prepared, and they came ready to play. Tip of the hat to him and his team. Bama's depth really was noticeable, and lets all hope that philosophy of playing all these guys in big games continues.
Under the circumstances I thought Hurts played a great game.
Side note:
Last year Bama was letting the swag on the field hang loose especially around the Tennessee game. CNS reeled it in a little, and I thought the team never really played with the same amount of juice after that.
I'd like to see the team come out a little more relaxed somehow, and bring the juice. Not sure what the key to that is, but when Bama is letting the swag on a little they seem to be at their best IMO. Just a thought.
No way to really grade Hurts however due to him running for his life all night. I saw a lot of "their QB is better than ours" on the message boards last night to which I would ask which one protected the football better ? Francois turnovers sunk the FSU ship. Hurts made good decisions, and protected the ball. BTW Francois finished the night with a QBR of 18; Hurts had a QBR of 30. So there's that.
To those wanting to see Tua... I do believe a mortal TF would have had a nervous breakdown having to deal with that much pressure last night. Hurts is one of only a couple of QB's in the country that could have prevented Bama from losing 60 or 70 yards worth of sacks last night. Remember that. Hurts can handle the bright lights.
The young WR's didn't have much of an impact, but watching them run routes their speed is impressive. 11 and 6 are going to stretch the field sooner than later. One time I'd like to see 3, 4, 6, and 11 run fly routes simultaneously. lol
No more hype. The. Defense. Has. Reloaded. No doubt about it.
Buggs is/was a monster last night. Extremely powerful player that was very disruptive for FSU when he was on the field. Getting him from lsu was huge. 99, 49, 94, 69, etc., monsters lol
SDH may have lost a half of a half step, but he reads plays so quickly it allows him to make plays one after the other. You hear coach talking about "eye discipline" - SDH is the master of eye discipline. I'd like to see that knee brace come off, but other than that SDH really is such an important piece of this defense. He reminds me of of Demeco Ryans.
Thank the heavens the game plan was to actually utilize the depth on the roster last night ! Players were being rotated early and often last night. Young players were being trusted to perform, and they did. Bama has no depth advantage if they don't utilize the depth ! If Bama utilized their depth vs Clemson more efficiently maybe Bama is looking to three-peat this season. It looks to me like a long film study of the Clemson game led the staff to believe that the second, or maybe third string 5 star is a better player than the gassed first string 5 star. lol Lets all hope so.
Clearly there was a lot to be desired from the OL. I was never a big fan of moving an AA RT to LT. If it works out then 73 makes some extra money down the road, but if it doesn't work out you've set back the development and performance of your OL IMO. I thought 73 had an average game at LT which is nothing to be ashamed of vs the likes of FSU, but I thought his replacement at RT 77 really struggled. My opinion is 73 would have solidified the right side, and one of the other 5 stars could have probably played at an "average" level at LT. JMHO
Other than that I'm gonna agree with CNS, and admit it's really hard to grade OL without watching the game over and over specifically watching each OL every snap. Something is wrong in there, and I'm sure they'll work to iron it out. The good news is some of the poor performance was letting guys on the edges run free due to blown assignments, or a lack of communication. That can be fixed, but I still think we are going to have a different RT at some point this season.
With all that said I'd pay 20 bucks to get a sideline shot of Brent Key, CNS, or Hurts grabbing some OL facemask, and chewing some asses ! Somebody on this team needs to light a fire under this units arse !
I would love to know why Bama refuses to let Hurts get under center ? Please. Someone, anyone, tell us why ?
How about inside the 10 yard line ? Can we get the QB under center inside the 10, and let these RB's hit the hole with some speed ? WTF ! I thought we were going more Pro ? Hell if its gonna be shotgun all night then run the damn jet sweep a couple times ! lol
Levi Wallace should no longer be referred to as "the former walk on." That kid can play.
Bama has got to let Tony Brown rush the passer more. He's so damn fast, and physical. Me personally I'd find a way to utilize Brown more often in the pass rush. I'd take brown over fitz in that role.
How did the former NE staffer manage to not hit the TE's last night with all that pressure on the edges ? Anyone ?
Not one single screen ? Not one ?
How about those passes to the RB's ? Where did those go ? Bo came within a fingernail of breaking one on the swing early.
Long story short was not impressed with Daboll ability to dial something up to give Hurts some help with all that pressure.
Moses looks legit. He's a natural football player. What we all would have given to have that combination of physical and athletic ability ammaright ?
Holcombe is underrated. With all these LB injuries the good news is Holcombe, Wilson, Moses, and maybe Allen will get more PT. If everyone comes back healthy it only helps the depth long term to get these guys more reps.
JK minus the brainfart was possibly the biggest weapon in the game which is weird to say of a punter.
I'm sure Diggs was told to play everything safe last night, but he is clearly not the next Eddie Jackson or Javy, or even Cyrus at PR. I'd like to see Ruggs sooner than later get a crack at PR.
Great win. Like coach said he knows where this team is now, and has the luxury of finding out what needs tinkering with without a loss. Thats huge.
Hopefully none of these injuries are serious. Lewis would be a big loss. Big. That kid is beast mode.
Jimbo had his team prepared, and they came ready to play. Tip of the hat to him and his team. Bama's depth really was noticeable, and lets all hope that philosophy of playing all these guys in big games continues.
Under the circumstances I thought Hurts played a great game.
Side note:
Last year Bama was letting the swag on the field hang loose especially around the Tennessee game. CNS reeled it in a little, and I thought the team never really played with the same amount of juice after that.
I'd like to see the team come out a little more relaxed somehow, and bring the juice. Not sure what the key to that is, but when Bama is letting the swag on a little they seem to be at their best IMO. Just a thought.
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Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:16 pm to PowHound
will read more. Great thoughts.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:17 pm to PowHound
Excellent notes.
I, too, lamented the lack of screens. However, I was screaming at my TV to go from under center. I, for the life of me, can't figure out why, but my guess is that since Hurts had pressure in his face all night, Daboll thought it best to just start every play 5 yards away from said pressure and facing it to see it quickly. I surmise that it contributed to his - honestly amazing - ability to escape.
I, too, lamented the lack of screens. However, I was screaming at my TV to go from under center. I, for the life of me, can't figure out why, but my guess is that since Hurts had pressure in his face all night, Daboll thought it best to just start every play 5 yards away from said pressure and facing it to see it quickly. I surmise that it contributed to his - honestly amazing - ability to escape.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:53 pm to PowHound
Real good points in your analysis.......great post
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:02 pm to PowHound
I wonder if Brown would be good at linebacker
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:09 pm to Sebastian
I'll eat some crow. Thought FSU would win but Alabama and coach Saban are just on another level.
Defense is great and I hope the injuries aren't as bad as we are hearing. Would also like to see Ray or Mathis step up and add some more depth to the D-line. Buggs is a monster.
O-line isn't as bad as some of y'all think. FSU has an elite D-line. 99 Burns is a force for them.
Jalen has gotten better. When he was able to step up in the pocket he did so. Hated the play calling though. Absolutely hated it
Defense is great and I hope the injuries aren't as bad as we are hearing. Would also like to see Ray or Mathis step up and add some more depth to the D-line. Buggs is a monster.
O-line isn't as bad as some of y'all think. FSU has an elite D-line. 99 Burns is a force for them.
Jalen has gotten better. When he was able to step up in the pocket he did so. Hated the play calling though. Absolutely hated it
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:13 pm to PowHound
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PowHound
Fantastic post, one of reasons I get on this board. More insight than anywhere else
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:38 pm to PowHound
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No way to really grade Hurts however due to him running for his life all night. I saw a lot of "their QB is better than ours" on the message boards last night to which I would ask which one protected the football better ? Francois turnovers sunk the FSU ship. Hurts made good decisions, and protected the ball. BTW Francois finished the night with a QBR of 18; Hurts had a QBR of 30. So there's that.
96 yards passing with one pass being 56 of those. There is a way to grade him that other non-Alabama fans will use.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 4:16 pm to prevatt33
I, too, lamented the lack of screens. However, I was screaming at my TV to go from under center. I, for the life of me, can't figure out why, but my guess is that since Hurts had pressure in his face all night, Daboll thought it best to just start every play 5 yards away from said pressure and facing it to see it quickly. I surmise that it contributed to his - honestly amazing - ability to escape.
It amazes me how coaches think a way to avoid blitz pressure is to go from the gun. Completely arse backwards. Not only does it slow the QB from getting the ball out quickly (he has to wait for the snap), but his eyes are diverted from seeing the field a half second while he's concentrating on catching the snap.
Not to mention, the deeper you set up the easier an angle it is for speed edge rushers to whip the tackle to the QB.
I hate the shotgun as a base offense and it drives me nuts how the whole football world is infatuated with it.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 4:28 pm to KareemAbdul
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KareemAbdul
There's also a way to grade him that bama fans without their heads up their asses will use
Maybe that's why you couldn't see him running for his life all night.
He didn't give up sacks and INTs under pressure, like Francois. Which kind of, you know, helped us win the ball game. That is the ultimate goal, FYI. Not stats.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 4:29 pm to CrimsonTideMD
Hurts clearly has to improve as a passer. But his awareness seemed better. And he took care of the football. But frankly, its difficult to judge. You don't typically open a season in a new offense with a top three opponent.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 4:35 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Hurts clearly has to improve as a passer. But his awareness seemed better. And he took care of the football. But frankly, its difficult to judge. You don't typically open a season in a new offense with a top three opponent.
Absolutely. Agree with all of that.
But these posters wanting to condemn jalen altogether and close the book on him are ridiculous.
Does he still need to improve? Of course.
But to highlight 96 yards as the end all be all, that's ignorant.
Important factors: 1st game of the year, great fsu D, 3rd OC in the last 3 games, not terrific play calling, drops/penalties, poor protection, just to name a few.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 4:48 pm to PowHound
I was on you pretty hard in the game thread, but this analysis is really spot on.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 4:50 pm to KareemAbdul
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96 yards passing with one pass being 56 of those. There is a way to grade him that other non-Alabama fans will use.
Let them underestimate him all they want.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:30 pm to KareemAbdul
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96 yards passing with one pass being 56 of those. There is a way to grade him that other non-Alabama fans will use.
Wins and Losses?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:34 pm to Bham Bammer
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Wins and Losses?
This is actually a good point. Saban is the best in the business at winning with weak QB play. It rarely bites us in the arse(aka last years Natty where we had like 80 passing yards deep into the 3rd quarter), but as long as Jalen doesnt turn the ball over we can manage.
Still doesn't change the fact he got 96 yards passing.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:41 pm to KareemAbdul
Would it make anyone feel better if it was 110 yards passing?
Because he lost like 14 yards when Ridley ran backwards for awhile.
Because he lost like 14 yards when Ridley ran backwards for awhile.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 7:32 pm to Kcoyote
I'd feel a lot better if the offense was geared to get him comfortable and in a rhythm by using slants, swing passes and wheel routes for our backs and TE seams. Easy passes to complete, don't take long to develop and allows out playmakers to make plays in space.
Piss poor job by the offensive staff last night. Over and over, FSU vacated the middle of the field but we didn't take advantage by dragging receivers across the middle. Did we forget how to run a screen? We have scary backs with great hands. Get them in space with blockers in front.
You can't really judge Hurts on last night when poor OL play and poorer play calling handcuffed him most of the night.
Piss poor job by the offensive staff last night. Over and over, FSU vacated the middle of the field but we didn't take advantage by dragging receivers across the middle. Did we forget how to run a screen? We have scary backs with great hands. Get them in space with blockers in front.
You can't really judge Hurts on last night when poor OL play and poorer play calling handcuffed him most of the night.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 8:13 pm to PowHound
Ridley was wide open on that play action TD, but that pass looked the sort that would have hung up too long and not arrived on time. It was encouraging and nice to see Jalen hit him in stride like that.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 8:26 pm to phil4bama
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Did we forget how to run a screen?
I'm starting to give up on this. Don't know if we lack faith in the QB, RBs or what but screens to the running back are becoming a distant memory.
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