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Does Jalen have any chance at the Heisman this year?
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:44 pm
I honestly think he should be a preseason contender with the assumption that his passing will improve as a Sophmore. Lamar will be the favorite but I think Hurts could give him a run.
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Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:55 pm to _Hurricane_
I doubt it. We have too many good running backs.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 10:20 pm to _Hurricane_
Of course he does.
Remember the AJ was in serious contention until the Kick 6 altered the course of an entire season.
If Alabama has a superior year, someone on the team will almost certainly have someone be in contention for the Heisman. So, there's the "chance".
Remember the AJ was in serious contention until the Kick 6 altered the course of an entire season.
If Alabama has a superior year, someone on the team will almost certainly have someone be in contention for the Heisman. So, there's the "chance".
Posted on 7/1/17 at 12:06 am to Cobrasize
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I doubt it. We have too many good running backs.
Too many good ones to have one big name to challenge him. Which means he should get the star status if deep throw has greatly improved. He could def make a strong run at it.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 12:51 am to BlackPawnMartyr
I just think we are going to be more focused on the run this year. I don't think Jalen will get the opportunity to put up Heisman numbers.
This post was edited on 7/1/17 at 12:53 am
Posted on 7/1/17 at 3:16 am to _Hurricane_
Maybe. He's a big name around the country already, and he's a dual threat. Plus he'll be on a top 10 team. I think the offense will be focused more on ball control. Not just running the ball, but having Jalen make smart passes to keep the chains moving and give us long drives. Hopefully his passing has come along, Ridley/Foster/Jeudy can tear teams up.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 9:53 pm to _Hurricane_
Can we just hope Jalen shows command of the offense and makes all the necessary throws? If he does that stuff we'll have the best offense in the conference and maybe the country.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 12:27 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Can we just hope Jalen shows command of the offense and makes all the necessary throws?
Well said. Let's focus on him becoming more consistent in the intermediate passing game before worrying about the Hypesman
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:56 am to _Hurricane_
If Jalen puts up better numbers than last year it will be hard to keep him out if the conversation.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 12:10 pm to _Hurricane_
Sure he does. He was SEC Offensive POY last year. Even though it was hard to watch at times, he was on the best team and he put up pretty good numbers.
If he shows some growth this year you'd have to think his numbers would be even better, and we will probably be one of the top teams. That's a recipe for Heisman consideration.
If he shows some growth this year you'd have to think his numbers would be even better, and we will probably be one of the top teams. That's a recipe for Heisman consideration.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 5:51 pm to _Hurricane_
I'd be happy if his passing is on par with what McElroy did
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:33 am to CrimsonTideMD
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I'd be happy if his passing is on par with what McElroy did
If he has truly improved, you may look back and laugh at that statement by the end of the year...
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:50 am to CrimsonTideMD
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I'd be happy if his passing is on par with what McElroy did
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:22 am to ReauxlTide222
I mean if we're comparing 2010 GMAC (5th year Senior, 2nd year as starter) to 2016 Jalen (True Freshman, 1st year as starter) then I'd definitely take GMAC's passing over Jalen's, and it isn't close.
GMAC completed 70.9% of his passes with 9.5 YPA that season, that's REALLY good.
Jalen completed 62.8% of his passes with 7.3 YPA last season, that's not all that good. It's not bad by any means either.
I suppose a bonus point to GMAC is yeah he had Julio, but other than that his receiving weapons were IMO all worse than Ridley/Stewart/Howard.
However, above we're comparing an experienced McElroy to a rookie Hurts. If you look at GMAC's first year as a starter in 2009 (RS Junior) he completed 60.9% of his passes with 7.7 YPA, somewhat similar numbers to Hurts.
If Jalen somehow progressed from year 1 as a starter to year 2 in the same way GMAC did, he'd complete 72.8% of his passes with 9.1 YPA, which would be amazing.
GMAC completed 70.9% of his passes with 9.5 YPA that season, that's REALLY good.
Jalen completed 62.8% of his passes with 7.3 YPA last season, that's not all that good. It's not bad by any means either.
I suppose a bonus point to GMAC is yeah he had Julio, but other than that his receiving weapons were IMO all worse than Ridley/Stewart/Howard.
However, above we're comparing an experienced McElroy to a rookie Hurts. If you look at GMAC's first year as a starter in 2009 (RS Junior) he completed 60.9% of his passes with 7.7 YPA, somewhat similar numbers to Hurts.
If Jalen somehow progressed from year 1 as a starter to year 2 in the same way GMAC did, he'd complete 72.8% of his passes with 9.1 YPA, which would be amazing.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:20 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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GMAC completed 70.9% of his passes with 9.5 YPA that season, that's REALLY good.
quote:With the way teams pass the ball now, 70% and 9.5 ypa would have been epic for Hurts.
Jalen completed 62.8% of his passes with 7.3 YPA last season, that's not all that good. It's not bad by any means either.
GMAC didn't pass all that often
ETA: Jalen only averaged 1 more pass per game than GMAC in his senior year. So don't listen to anything I say
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:32 pm to ReauxlTide222
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With the way teams pass the ball now, 70% and 9.5 ypa would have been epic for Hurts.
GMAC didn't pass all that often
ETA: Jalen only averaged 1 more pass per game than GMAC in his senior year. So don't listen to anything I say
As I was reading this when I got to "GMAC didn't pass all that often" I was already thinking "didn't cfbstats say the attempts per game were pretty close..." then I saw the ETA
Hurts wasn't horrible or anything, neither was GMAC in 09. But both left a lot to be desired in terms of passing the football. However, GMAC's second year had that great increase in output, and AJ's second year he led the nation in pass efficiency. We haven't had a QB get a second year since. If Hurts shows a similar upward trend and his running is still awesome, he's gonna light up a lot of teams
ETA: Just for fun, only 2 QBs completed at least 70% of their passes this past season.
Baker Mayfield and Luke Falk. The difference between the two? Mayfield's YPA was 11.1, whereas Falk's was 7.1
Baker Mayfield with some elite numbers
I'm not sure what the FBS record is for YPA, but he has the highest single season number going back through 08.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 7/5/17 at 3:33 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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If Jalen somehow progressed from year 1 as a starter to year 2 in the same way GMAC did, he'd complete 72.8% of his passes with 9.1 YPA, which would be amazing
Excellent post. This is what I meant with my post, but I should have spelled it out better.
I'm a big fan of Jalens. I'd love to see him progress like McElroy did from his first year starting to his second.
I used GMAC as an example bc his success despite him not being the greatest "natural" talent as a passer.
I did not intend to imply a slight to either player with my comment.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 9:36 pm to _Hurricane_
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I honestly think he should be a preseason contender with the assumption that his passing will improve as a Sophmore. Lamar will be the favorite but I think Hurts could give him a run.
Some people will bash me, but there's no guarantee he will be any better in the passing game this year than he was last year. We all hope so, but there's plenty of guys out there who never got one iota better than they were the day they set foot on campus for whatever reason.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 3:19 pm to phil4bama
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there's no guarantee he will be any better in the passing game this year than he was last year. We all hope so, but there's plenty of guys out there who never got one iota better than they were the day they set foot on campus for whatever reason.
Brandon Harris, Treon Harris and Jeremy Johnson are all recent examples of quarterbacks that never improved with throwing the football. With most quarterbacks they are accurate or they aren't. I think we are all excited after positive reviews from the Manning academy and a good showing at A-day but we really need more than just an extension to the running game for our offense to be up to it's capabilities. A quarterback that can pass the ball might set records with the receivers on the roster. Hope they aren't just blockers this year.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:06 am to _Hurricane_
Baker will win it, unless their OC turned HC majorly screws up somehow.
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