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re: Did we complete one pass over 10 yards in the air today?
Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:55 am to Huddie Leadbetter
Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:55 am to Huddie Leadbetter
And, EVERYBODY KNOWS HE'S A TRUE FRESHMAN. We're not saying he hasn't done well, considering. But, this is Alabama, with a loaded team, competing for a NC... and our QB can't complete an open pass downfield. It will be a problem if we ever face a team that stops the run. After we lose that game and and don't make the playoffs, you guys can keep talking about how he's just a freshman so it's ok. Personally, I'm going to be wishing we'd had a guy that could complete an open pass. I don't understand why this is the one guy on the team that can't be critiqued, despite a GLARING weakness. We have DB's that get beaten by a good pass and half the board melts down wanting them benched.
Hurts can't pass at this point in his career. Kiffin has done a great job of scheming around that so far. But, it sure would be nice if he could throw the ball to those open WR's.
Nobody wants him benched. Everybody hopes he gets better. But, neither of those mean his passing won't bite us in the arse eventually. Because it very well might.
Hurts can't pass at this point in his career. Kiffin has done a great job of scheming around that so far. But, it sure would be nice if he could throw the ball to those open WR's.
Nobody wants him benched. Everybody hopes he gets better. But, neither of those mean his passing won't bite us in the arse eventually. Because it very well might.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 8:44 am
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 8:13 am to Teague
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Teague
Hurts is good and will be very good. But his weakness, so far, has been donw field passing. I think most know that he is obviously very talented and our best option.
Every team and player have weaknesses. People talking about our team's weakness or a players weakness is not inherently insane.
Can Hurts lead this team to a NC? Yep.
Does Hurts have a weakness that could contribute to a stumble along the way? Yep
Do we have other players that have weaknesses that could contribute to a loss? Yep
Does every other team have weaknesses that could cause them to lose? Yep
But QB gets the focus. It happens. Its OK.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 8:13 am to Teague
This guy here gets it. Hurts is great to watch and a leader. Obviously the right guy for the job but It would be more reassuring if a team this good didn't have growing pains at the QB position.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 8:18 am to labamafan
I agree. Hurts has ice in his veins and is a leader. That's big time. His running is electric. His passing? Not so much. However, he clearly has the arm and football acumen for it. With reps and experience he should improve. I don't know if I'd make next year his deadline, but come 2018? I think he could be a prolific passer.
It'll be interesting to see the offense next year. As things stand now we return:
QB: Hurts
RB: All of them, add Najee Harris if he sticks
WR: Ridley and I'm guessing Foster will be back. Stewart has another year left, but is quietly outplaying Ridley in 2 less games and as a 4th year Junior may think his stock has peaked. I hope he comes back.
TE: Lose Howard, but Hentges and Miller are playing
OL: C-Rob is gone, but Piersbacher, Bozeman, Cotton, and Williams are all back. Cotton is kinda sharing that RG spot with Taylor, but he's gotten good experience this year, has shown improvement, and will continue to get reps. So 4/5 of the OL returns
You'd think our run game would be even better next season, but that isn't guaranteed. 6.05 YPC is hard to replicate, even with just about everyone coming back.
If things work out, we avoid injuries and slumps, 2017 may be Saban's best offense.
It'll be interesting to see the offense next year. As things stand now we return:
QB: Hurts
RB: All of them, add Najee Harris if he sticks
WR: Ridley and I'm guessing Foster will be back. Stewart has another year left, but is quietly outplaying Ridley in 2 less games and as a 4th year Junior may think his stock has peaked. I hope he comes back.
TE: Lose Howard, but Hentges and Miller are playing
OL: C-Rob is gone, but Piersbacher, Bozeman, Cotton, and Williams are all back. Cotton is kinda sharing that RG spot with Taylor, but he's gotten good experience this year, has shown improvement, and will continue to get reps. So 4/5 of the OL returns
You'd think our run game would be even better next season, but that isn't guaranteed. 6.05 YPC is hard to replicate, even with just about everyone coming back.
If things work out, we avoid injuries and slumps, 2017 may be Saban's best offense.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:01 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
It's not an arm issue with Jalen, he just usually throws it 1/2-1 second too late. The receiver gets open, he sees him, and it's like he takes a second to confirm he's open before throwing it. The deep ball to Ridley in the first quarter being a prime example. That'll come with more reps and comfort. He's played better than I expected so far. Kid is a huge threat and has to be a pain in the arse to gameplan for as a defensive coordinator.
Whether anyone realizes it or not, we are running a lot of triple option concepts in the ground game. Now some if not all of these plays are a predetermined handoff, but from a defenders standpoint, they have to account for the jet sweep, inside trap, and QB keeper every time we send a guy in motion. Now gameplan for that, and figure out how to account for Stewart, Ridley, and Howard. I can imagine that coordinators around the league would much rather McElroy or Coker under center.
Whether anyone realizes it or not, we are running a lot of triple option concepts in the ground game. Now some if not all of these plays are a predetermined handoff, but from a defenders standpoint, they have to account for the jet sweep, inside trap, and QB keeper every time we send a guy in motion. Now gameplan for that, and figure out how to account for Stewart, Ridley, and Howard. I can imagine that coordinators around the league would much rather McElroy or Coker under center.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:01 am to Teague
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Nobody wants him benched. Everybody hopes he gets better. But, neither of those mean his passing won't bite us in the arse eventually. Because it very well might.
All things considered, is that really the worst thing in the world, when you have a chance to win 2 NC's in a row in '17 and '18?
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:05 am to Funky Tide 8
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People have extremely short memories. I suppose they forgot about all of the sterile outings that JPW, McElroy, and Mccaron(his first year starting) had. Hell, Coker and Sims had a few stinkers the last two years as well.
I truly believe that many people on here don't realize how tough it is to be a great passer in the SEC not only as a true freshman, but in general. Every rep he has is a learning experience right now, and he is actually really making a strong effort to minimize his mistakes. This means throwing it out of bounds, or sailing it - just making sure to protect the ball. He is displaying great maturity by doing this, but it's not going to look pretty at times.
Okay but also remember that he beat out two guys with experience to get this job.
The difference is those other guys you mentioned made mistakes but also flashed serious arm talent at times in their first year. Greg Mac completed some long rainbows in his first game. JPW had a really strong arm, and could be really accurate downfield. AJ obviously did really well his first year.
Put it this way, if Jalen couldn't run he'd be one of the worst Bama QBs of all time. That's how bad his throwing is right now. I don't remember any of those other QBs letting the ball fly out of their hands during their throwing motion, or throwing INTs right into the body of a defender 7 yards away.
Let's face it, when it comes to throwing the football, Jalen is looking more like Jeremy Johnson than Deshaun Watson
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 9:09 am
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:07 am to stomp
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All things considered, is that really the worst thing in the world, when you have a chance to win 2 NC's in a row in '17 and '18?
All things considered, how about 16, 17, and 18.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:09 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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I can imagine that coordinators around the league would much rather McElroy or Coker under center.
Yep. Jalen's TD run Saturday would confirm that. Just no way you can gamplan to stop that.
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we are running a lot of triple option concepts in the ground game
Yep again. It was infuriating at times to see so many jet sweeps called in previous games, but it was set up the playcalling for the right now. Not sure we tossed a single one to a WR Saturday, but the motion was there, and opened a huge hole on one of Harris's runs.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:09 am to uofarolltide
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Put it this way, if Jalen couldn't run he'd be one of the worst Bama QBs of all time. That's how bad his throwing is right now. I
No offense intended, and just for the sake of converstaion, but I don't agree with that.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:14 am to uofarolltide
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Put it this way, if Jalen couldn't run he'd be one of the worst Bama QBs of all time.
I'm guessing you aren't old enough to remember much of the Shula era. Specifically the 2004 season.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:19 am to uofarolltide
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The difference is those other guys you mentioned made mistakes but also flashed serious arm talent at times in their first year.
And Hurts hasn't? Is the TAMU game the only game you've watched all year? I feel like I am in crazy land with some of these comments.
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Put it this way, if Jalen couldn't run he'd be one of the worst Bama QBs of all time. That's how bad his throwing is right now. I don't remember any of those other QBs letting the ball fly out of their hands during their throwing motion, or throwing INTs right into the body of a defender 7 yards away.
Let's face it, when it comes to throwing the football, Jalen is looking more like Jeremy Johnson than Deshaun Watson
Okay, this is fricking retarded. I challenge you to go back and rewatch our games this year, because you were clearly incapacitated during most of them. Hurts has shown plenty of excellent arm strength and accuracy, and it's not even up for debate.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:27 am to Huddie Leadbetter
ehehh. I don't support everything about a player, I get downvotes. I do support the player, I get downvotes. What the heck is it with the votes? What about reasonable conversation? I'm still new here but I kind of get the feeling the votes might stifle real discussion. Nothing wrong with disagreeing as long as you don't get personal. Just my opinion.
edit: In retrospect, I just downvoted myself. Goofy sumabits.
edit: In retrospect, I just downvoted myself. Goofy sumabits.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 9:32 am
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:35 am to Funky Tide 8
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Hurts has shown plenty of excellent arm strength and accuracy, and it's not even up for debate
I'm going to beg to differ there, unless your definition of "plenty" is a lot different than mine. He's made a few nice throws. He's had far more that were way off target. That's not "plenty" in my mind. So, it's up for debate, if YOU think he's made a lot of good throws. I honestly don't know how people are still defending his accuracy downfield. Early on, when you guys argued with me, I thought, well they'll see eventually. Now we're 8 games in and I don't think he's hit a vertical route in stride yet, but you guys are still saying he's a good passer.
Come on. It's ok to admit he needs a lot of improvement in the passing department.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:40 am to Teague
That first game, vs USC, when he hit Ridley (?) in the endzone on a rope, I thought "yeah baby. Dual threat indeed!"
Just inconsistent right now.
Just inconsistent right now.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:41 am to Teague
I agree. Clearly the arm talent is there, but accuracy is made up of a lot of different components. Timing and the throw itself are among them. Not only does he have problems with timing the further downfield the target is (as to be expected from a True Freshman, he'll improve), but he throws bullets when he should put touch on the pass. Possibly because he knows he is throwing it late.
He's completing 63.1% of his passes. I'll say this, he throws the ball away better than most True Freshman. That accounts for something. I don't have actual numbers, but while we've had some drops, I feel as though that number is lower than it has been. I may be wrong though, but none of us have an exact number.
That said, take away the jet sweep passes which are basically a handoff, what is his completion percentage? Likely not good considering his YPA is only 7.6 and he has only had 8+ YPA in 3 games and 1 of those was Western Kentucky.
He has so much room for improvement, but that isn't a negative. Look at how good he is now. Now imagine how good he will be when he improves.
He's completing 63.1% of his passes. I'll say this, he throws the ball away better than most True Freshman. That accounts for something. I don't have actual numbers, but while we've had some drops, I feel as though that number is lower than it has been. I may be wrong though, but none of us have an exact number.
That said, take away the jet sweep passes which are basically a handoff, what is his completion percentage? Likely not good considering his YPA is only 7.6 and he has only had 8+ YPA in 3 games and 1 of those was Western Kentucky.
He has so much room for improvement, but that isn't a negative. Look at how good he is now. Now imagine how good he will be when he improves.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:00 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
This teams reminds me a little LSU 2011...and hell the only reason the didn't beat every team by 20+ and win the natty was because they played Bama. I don't think we will see another Bama, so I'm not as worried as some of you.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:16 am to uofarolltide
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Put it this way, if Jalen couldn't run he'd be one of the worst Bama QBs of all time.
Not even close. But keep telling yourself that.
He's passed for over 1,500 yards and is completing 63% of his throws. He is responsible for 20 total TDs (11 passing, 9 rushing) as a true freshman who isn't even old enough to smoke in the state of Alabama.
It's incredible how easily you forget the fact that this kid is a true freshman. Yes, his deep ball needs work, but that will come with experience. It's not going to happen over night as he's still adjusting to the speed of the college game.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:33 am to Teague
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It's ok to admit
Feel free to admit that YOUR EXPECTATIONS for what Hurts should be doing right now are absolutely ridiculous.
Leadership: check
decision making: check
poise: check
run game: check
Passing: Good enough so far, will get better
Overall Playmaking: Every game he has done something amazing if not several things - CHECK
Whats it all add up to ? Undefeated season thanks to his efforts to this point... youre welcome.
Unbelievable.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:36 am to Teague
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Come on. It's ok to admit he needs a lot of improvement in the passing department.
No one is saying that he doesn't have room for improvement, but in the context of this situation, people that are acting like its some kind of major problem that will get us beat is overkill.
It might have changed after the A&M game, but before the A&M game, he was top 20 in the nation in completing passes 20 yards or more downfield. That is a fact. This goes directly against the notion that he is a "horrible downfield passer." If he was a horrible downfield passer, he would not be top 20 in that stat.
Did he have a bad game passing downfield on Saturday? Sure, but he was pressured literally all game long. The pocket was constantly breaking down. Most QBs have trouble getting the ball downfield when there is little to no pocket.
Does he have room for improvement? Yeah, no shite, he is a TRUE FRESHMAN. It was known before he ever took a snap that there would be learning curves and struggles, especially in passing downfield.
The numbers don't lie, he is an average-to-good passer at the moment.
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