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Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:10 am
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:10 am
I'm watching a 30 minute replay of the Washington game last year.
So far what's stood out:
- Jalen was not a great passing QB (obviously)
- We had an insane defense (obviously)
- When Bo Scarbrough entered the game, he looked like the best athlete in the entire stadium. He singlehandedly took the ball down the field, and scored. He looked like a Heisman winner. The fact that he was our 2nd string back in that game is absolutely laughable; an unbelievably bad personnel decision. In the drive after he dominates their entire defense, he's inexplicably taken out, and doesn't see the field for the entire next drive (which goes nowhere), ending with the bizarre Ardarius Stewart running play up the middle. In the following 4 offensive possessions after his domination drive resulting in a TD, he got just 5 touches (for 48 yards). Those 4 possessions all ended in punts. Halftime.
- The first ~20 plays of the 2nd half, Bo gets just 2 carries for 18 yards. This is reaching a level of insanity... Still no offensive TDs since the Bo drive...
- Bo's on the field! Bo runs: 5 yards. Jalen runs: 0 yards. Jalen runs: -3 yards. Punt. SMH
- Start of the 4th quarter. Backed up in the endzone. DHarris runs: 0 yards. Jalen runs: 0 yards. Bo runs: 13 yards. Bo runs: 80 yard TD
Bo Scarbrough was criminally underutilized last season, and especially in the last game before his injury. The fact that he wasn't getting at least 80% of the carries was absolutely absurd. He was terrorizing defenses, looking like a monster on the field, yet he's backing up Damien Harris on an offense that hardly even runs the ball? Idk what the frick our coaches were thinking. I hope Bo is able to finally show out this season. If he's healthy, he should be our number one offensive weapon
So far what's stood out:
- Jalen was not a great passing QB (obviously)
- We had an insane defense (obviously)
- When Bo Scarbrough entered the game, he looked like the best athlete in the entire stadium. He singlehandedly took the ball down the field, and scored. He looked like a Heisman winner. The fact that he was our 2nd string back in that game is absolutely laughable; an unbelievably bad personnel decision. In the drive after he dominates their entire defense, he's inexplicably taken out, and doesn't see the field for the entire next drive (which goes nowhere), ending with the bizarre Ardarius Stewart running play up the middle. In the following 4 offensive possessions after his domination drive resulting in a TD, he got just 5 touches (for 48 yards). Those 4 possessions all ended in punts. Halftime.
- The first ~20 plays of the 2nd half, Bo gets just 2 carries for 18 yards. This is reaching a level of insanity... Still no offensive TDs since the Bo drive...
- Bo's on the field! Bo runs: 5 yards. Jalen runs: 0 yards. Jalen runs: -3 yards. Punt. SMH
- Start of the 4th quarter. Backed up in the endzone. DHarris runs: 0 yards. Jalen runs: 0 yards. Bo runs: 13 yards. Bo runs: 80 yard TD
Bo Scarbrough was criminally underutilized last season, and especially in the last game before his injury. The fact that he wasn't getting at least 80% of the carries was absolutely absurd. He was terrorizing defenses, looking like a monster on the field, yet he's backing up Damien Harris on an offense that hardly even runs the ball? Idk what the frick our coaches were thinking. I hope Bo is able to finally show out this season. If he's healthy, he should be our number one offensive weapon
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 2:54 am
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Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:54 am to uofarolltide
Thanks for the rundown coach. It's almost as if Damien Harris didn't have a half a yard more ypc than Bo over the course of the season with more carries.
Now I'm not saying that the Washington game plan on offense wasn't shite. I agree with you there. I think everyone can agree with that. However, saying that Bo was Harris's backup in that game isn't really accurate. He had two times the carries that Harris had.
Also, to act like it was absurd to give Harris more carries over the season when he was the hot hand and was gashing defenses almost every carry is kind of foolish. You are really downplaying how effective Harris was in the majority of our games last season. Don't worry, you aren't alone. Quite a few people do that for some reason.
No doubt Bo is a freak, but it did take him a minute to find his mojo last season. When he did, it was beautiful, but it really didn't happen until halfway through the season or later. There is a whole lot of hindsight in your post.
And lol at "an offense that hardly even runs the ball."
Now I'm not saying that the Washington game plan on offense wasn't shite. I agree with you there. I think everyone can agree with that. However, saying that Bo was Harris's backup in that game isn't really accurate. He had two times the carries that Harris had.
Also, to act like it was absurd to give Harris more carries over the season when he was the hot hand and was gashing defenses almost every carry is kind of foolish. You are really downplaying how effective Harris was in the majority of our games last season. Don't worry, you aren't alone. Quite a few people do that for some reason.
No doubt Bo is a freak, but it did take him a minute to find his mojo last season. When he did, it was beautiful, but it really didn't happen until halfway through the season or later. There is a whole lot of hindsight in your post.
And lol at "an offense that hardly even runs the ball."
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 6:32 am
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:21 am to Funky Tide 8
This. Washington was a good matchup for Bo. Similar to Leonard, Bo will struggle against teams that can match him physically. Washington's defense couldn't do that, but they were very technically sound which is why Harris struggled.
I don't understand why so many people act like Harris is shite. I guess it's cause he's not massive like Bo or Henry, but everyone overrated Yeldon so that doesn't make sense.
I don't understand why so many people act like Harris is shite. I guess it's cause he's not massive like Bo or Henry, but everyone overrated Yeldon so that doesn't make sense.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:37 am to uofarolltide
Imo, Bo didn't seem to be in "shape" to be the "man" and be the featured back or the every down back. Probably had something to do with his injuries and such that he has had to deal with. Maybe that's why his touches were limited?
I will agree that when 100% healthy, he can be the most talented player on the field.
I will agree that when 100% healthy, he can be the most talented player on the field.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:09 am to partsman103
Tom I think it's because there's nothing extraordinary about Harris. I don't mean that disparagingly. But he's not a physical specimen, he's not an incredible athlete, he doesn't have breakaway speed or great size. He doesn't have a WOW! factor. He's just a good,solid every down back that puts up above average numbers for a great team. He does his job, does it well, does nothing poorly, but nothing spectacular. And he's surrounded by freaks. That's his problem.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:07 pm to phil4bama
I think you're right, but I don't think his numbers are average. He averaged the most yards per carry of any Saban back with over 100 attempts.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:06 pm to uofarolltide
I don't think Bo was underutilized, he was still recovering. He went off in the postseason due to the rest.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:03 pm to Fells
In the Washington game and the Clemson game he was ridiculously underutilized, especially considering how effective he was.
My point is to point out that Bo is a FREAK of nature. He's not a fluke. I honestly believe that if he had gotten 80% of the snaps at RB last year, he would've been in contention for the Heisman. The YPC on the season can be misleading when you're using a guy situationally. He was the 3rd leading ball carrier on the team.
Why does nobody respect Harris? Because he's not a special back. He'll be lucky if he's even drafted in the NFL, and with Najee coming in, as well as Jacobs and Emmons having experience, I honestly believe you'll hardly see him at all this season.
Athletically speaking, Damien is our worst running back. Period.
Bo on the other hand, injuries aside, is a bigger athletic freak than Derrick Henry. Go back and watch him play in the latter half of the season. He's a freak of nature, and his injury, as well as his underutilization beforehand, cost us the title.
If we had used Derrick Henry last season the same way we used Bo, DHenry probably would've been slightly less productive than Bo was. He would bust a huge run, and then leave the field so we could run the option with Damien Harris
My point is to point out that Bo is a FREAK of nature. He's not a fluke. I honestly believe that if he had gotten 80% of the snaps at RB last year, he would've been in contention for the Heisman. The YPC on the season can be misleading when you're using a guy situationally. He was the 3rd leading ball carrier on the team.
Why does nobody respect Harris? Because he's not a special back. He'll be lucky if he's even drafted in the NFL, and with Najee coming in, as well as Jacobs and Emmons having experience, I honestly believe you'll hardly see him at all this season.
Athletically speaking, Damien is our worst running back. Period.
Bo on the other hand, injuries aside, is a bigger athletic freak than Derrick Henry. Go back and watch him play in the latter half of the season. He's a freak of nature, and his injury, as well as his underutilization beforehand, cost us the title.
If we had used Derrick Henry last season the same way we used Bo, DHenry probably would've been slightly less productive than Bo was. He would bust a huge run, and then leave the field so we could run the option with Damien Harris
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:10 pm to uofarolltide
There's a lot of pretty severe claims in that.
While Bo is a freak, and has heisman potential, how many schools in the country would not start Damien? I think you are under appreciating his contribution, especially considering how banged up he got.
While Bo is a freak, and has heisman potential, how many schools in the country would not start Damien? I think you are under appreciating his contribution, especially considering how banged up he got.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:16 pm to uofarolltide
Personally, I like Jacobs. Dude runs hard and angry.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:20 pm to Fells
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how many schools in the country would not start Damien?
Haha really? The answer is "a lot"
We'll be playing one of them in the first game of the season..
I honestly believe that if you gave every school their pick of the litter of our backs, yrs of eligibility aside, every school would take Bo first, without question. Probably Najee second.
I'll just say this, don't be surprised if Najee quickly passes Damien in the rotation... Najee is an athletic freak
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:26 pm to uofarolltide
Bo wasn't underutilized in the Clemson game. He was the focal point of the offense until he got injured.
Bo had 125 carries. That's only 21 less than Harris.
Also, you're forgetting Bo put the ball on the turf multiple times in the first half of the season. He literally damn near gave the game to Ole Miss by fumbling in a situation when all he had to do was hold on the ball.
Who cares? There's a lot more to be a running back than being strong and fast. Harris has great vision, cutting ability, and patience, but let's never play him again despite having the most efficient season a Saban running back has ever had because he's not big and fast?
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The YPC on the season can be misleading when you're using a guy situationally
Bo had 125 carries. That's only 21 less than Harris.
Also, you're forgetting Bo put the ball on the turf multiple times in the first half of the season. He literally damn near gave the game to Ole Miss by fumbling in a situation when all he had to do was hold on the ball.
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Athletically speaking, Damien is our worst running back. Period.
Who cares? There's a lot more to be a running back than being strong and fast. Harris has great vision, cutting ability, and patience, but let's never play him again despite having the most efficient season a Saban running back has ever had because he's not big and fast?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:34 pm to TomRollTideRitter
You can say all of that, and while some of it is true, you have to use your eyes.
In the latter half of the season when Bo was healthy, he was the best offensive player in the SEC, and the best back in the country. At that point, he shouldn't have been splitting carries 50/50 with Damien, especially when he was dominating defenses like Washington and Clemson.
Aside from all of that, when our QB was struggling, we never once handed Bo the ball and let him run until they stopped him. Kiffin was a pass-first guy. The downhill run game wasn't fun enough for him
In the latter half of the season when Bo was healthy, he was the best offensive player in the SEC, and the best back in the country. At that point, he shouldn't have been splitting carries 50/50 with Damien, especially when he was dominating defenses like Washington and Clemson.
Aside from all of that, when our QB was struggling, we never once handed Bo the ball and let him run until they stopped him. Kiffin was a pass-first guy. The downhill run game wasn't fun enough for him
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:51 pm to uofarolltide
Damien Harris has the best vision of a Bama back since Sean Alexander in my opinion
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:44 pm to Ol'DirtyCam
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Damien Harris has the best vision of a Bama back since Sean Alexander in my opinion
Harris over Ingram?
This thread is serious.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:29 pm to uofarolltide
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Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:35 pm to Fells
When Bo is healthy and in shape he may be better than Henry. The problem for Bo is he has a LONG list and history of injuries. I'm not sure he's been healthy for a season since middle school and that's a big issue. So even when he got hot, coaches were trying to manage his carries so he would last the rest of the year and even that didn't work. Some guys are just built a little more fragile and Bo seems to be one of those guys. It would be awesome if we could feed him 30 times a game like Henry but he wouldn't last half the season. For that reason I expect to see his carries managed again this season. It's frustrating for fans but probably wise on the coaches part.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:37 pm to tider04
Just because he's injury prone doesn't mean we have to limit his touches. It could be simple bad luck. If he's going to tear his ACL at some point this season, wouldn't we want to use him as much as possible up until that point? That's my thinking.
He's definitely athletic enough to carry it 30-40 times per game. Fear of injury is a weak excuse imo
Maybe he gets lucky this year and doesn't get injured at all. Either way, if he's healthy he should be our starter at tailback. Let him wear the defense down like Derrick and Eddie used to do
He's definitely athletic enough to carry it 30-40 times per game. Fear of injury is a weak excuse imo
Maybe he gets lucky this year and doesn't get injured at all. Either way, if he's healthy he should be our starter at tailback. Let him wear the defense down like Derrick and Eddie used to do
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:34 pm to uofarolltide
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The YPC on the season can be misleading when you're using a guy situationally.
Can you explain this to me? Are you saying Bo would've had a better ypc if he had more touches?
Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:47 am to TomRollTideRitter
Absolutely. Imagine how DHenrys stats would've looked if he got plugged in at random times, and never got a chance to wear a defense down.
In that Washington game, Bo could've carried the ball 30+ times and averaged over 8 ypc, effectively lifting his ypc on the season. Just for one example.
I agree that he was more effective against certain defenses than others, but damn, the coaches should be able to see that, and when a defense cant stop a big guy, let him be the offense
In that Washington game, Bo could've carried the ball 30+ times and averaged over 8 ypc, effectively lifting his ypc on the season. Just for one example.
I agree that he was more effective against certain defenses than others, but damn, the coaches should be able to see that, and when a defense cant stop a big guy, let him be the offense
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