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Best and worst Bama OCs?
Posted on 5/23/17 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 10:10 pm
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Best IMO would have to be McElwain.
Not sure who was the worst, but Mal Moore's early 90s offenses (while effective) would have me grabbing for the Maalox. 24+ points was a blowout back then lol
Best IMO would have to be McElwain.
Not sure who was the worst, but Mal Moore's early 90s offenses (while effective) would have me grabbing for the Maalox. 24+ points was a blowout back then lol
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 10:42 pm to stomp
Sark never won a game as OC, so he's the worst
Posted on 5/24/17 at 12:56 am to stomp
For worst, obviously
And Mal Moore was actually one of the best. He was the OC for the dominant wishbone offenses of the late 70s. Bud Moore oversaw it in the early 70s. Stallings openly said he would rather win 6-3 than in a high scoring game. All he asked of the offense was not to lose the game by turning the ball over or not taking enough time off the clock. Homer Smith (88-89, 94-95) was also a good OC.
Statistically, Kiffin and Nussmeier were both superior to McElwain. People think much more highly of him now than they did at the time he was actually coaching here.
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 1:10 am
Posted on 5/24/17 at 9:34 am to stomp
I will never understand the love for McElwain.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 9:35 am to CrimsonCrusade
Dave Rader was pretty bad. Darby up the gut 46 times a game was his bread and butter. He also did nothing to help Chris Capps from getting abused.
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 9:37 am
Posted on 5/24/17 at 9:41 am to CrimsonCrusade
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Statistically, Kiffin and Nussmeier were both superior to McElwain. People think much more highly of him now than they did at the time he was actually coaching here.
Not me. I found McElwain to be extremely frustrating because he never stretched the field. He seemed to always attack the short side of the field allowing the defenses to cheat up on us a ton.
He ran the ball well, but then we did what seemed like mostly screen passes out to Julio.
But I have wondered if things would have been different with a better QB. It's not like McElroy had the greatest arm, or really even an average one.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 10:55 am to stomp
Nuss had an absolute loaded offense to work with.
NFL caliber QB
2 2nd round RBs
A top five WR with another drafted
NFL TE
and of course 4 drafted linemen with two in the early first and the fifth still on an NFL roster.
Try to frick that up.
NFL caliber QB
2 2nd round RBs
A top five WR with another drafted
NFL TE
and of course 4 drafted linemen with two in the early first and the fifth still on an NFL roster.
Try to frick that up.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 1:12 pm to Wrenchruh
People like McElwain because he was a great play caller, and he won us 2 national championships.
His offense wasn't exactly flashy, but it flowed well, and never really felt stuck. There was always something working. He loved to run the ball, and play to our strengths. He controlled the ball, and took his shots.
In many ways his offense complimented Saban's defense perfectly.
That said, I think Kiffin was great.
I think Nussmeier was pretty awful as a play caller.
As for pre-Saban I don't really remember...
His offense wasn't exactly flashy, but it flowed well, and never really felt stuck. There was always something working. He loved to run the ball, and play to our strengths. He controlled the ball, and took his shots.
In many ways his offense complimented Saban's defense perfectly.
That said, I think Kiffin was great.
I think Nussmeier was pretty awful as a play caller.
As for pre-Saban I don't really remember...
Posted on 5/24/17 at 1:41 pm to uofarolltide
I think McElwein was very solid, but it felt like we had a ceiling and our redzone production left a little to be desired. Nuss was the absolute worst in that regard. Under McElwein, it also seemed like we weren't very explosive.
Nuss was horrible. Don't even get me started.
As far as Kiffin goes, I don't know if he was a genius or an idiot but the guy seemed to be able to dial up the right play at the right time. The problem is he would also frick around too much and too often would go away from stuff that was working. I also think Kiffin checked out the last two months he was here.
Nuss was horrible. Don't even get me started.
As far as Kiffin goes, I don't know if he was a genius or an idiot but the guy seemed to be able to dial up the right play at the right time. The problem is he would also frick around too much and too often would go away from stuff that was working. I also think Kiffin checked out the last two months he was here.
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 5/24/17 at 1:44 pm to 3down10
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I will never understand the love for McElwain.
He had some great gameplans, but people forget how much the offense struggled in the red zone under him.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 1:46 pm to stomp
Gene Stallings wasn't officially the OC, but Gene Stallings is the answer 
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:33 pm to Cobrasize
Homer Smith was the best. The man made Gary Hollingsworth an excellent QB, which I would have told you was impossible.
I remember watching Alabama's spring game in either 1988 or 1989, and turning to my friend who was with me to say, "If we ever have to depend on that stringbean Hollingsworth as our QB, we're in serious trouble."
All Gary did in 1989 was be second-team All-SEC and lead us to an undefeated season (until the Auburn game).
Worst OC would be Mike Dubose. Even though he wasn't officially the OC when he was the HC, he would meddle with the game plan so much (in one famous instance, the night before a game) that the offense had no chance to succeed.
I remember watching Alabama's spring game in either 1988 or 1989, and turning to my friend who was with me to say, "If we ever have to depend on that stringbean Hollingsworth as our QB, we're in serious trouble."
All Gary did in 1989 was be second-team All-SEC and lead us to an undefeated season (until the Auburn game).
Worst OC would be Mike Dubose. Even though he wasn't officially the OC when he was the HC, he would meddle with the game plan so much (in one famous instance, the night before a game) that the offense had no chance to succeed.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 5:29 pm to stomp
Since 1990?
I'd have to go with Jim McElwain as the best and Charlie Stubbs as the worst.
I'd have to go with Jim McElwain as the best and Charlie Stubbs as the worst.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 6:47 pm to RollTide1987
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I'd have to go with Jim McElwain as the best and Charlie Stubbs as the worst.
Stubbs was a nightmare and still stumbled into an SECC
Posted on 5/25/17 at 7:33 am to stomp
Best offensive mind: Homer Smith. The guy was a fricking genius. The numbers he put up with what he had to work with...SMDH.
Best play caller: Kiffin. If he actually put the same talent into creating a cohesive game plan as he did his play calling, the man would be unstoppable. Unfortunately, there's too much Joey Freshwater in him.
Best game planner: McElwain. My only complaint is CJM was a little bland at times and lacked some creativity that resulted in some vanilla strategies. They were basic but effective. He just didn't utilize all his weapons to stretch the field enough. That's the root of his red zone struggles.
Worst mind: Rader. He still hasn't figured out that his shite doesn't work when you are overmatched athletically.
Worst play caller: Nuss and it's not even close. If you need proof, go back and watch that SEC CG with UGA. He singlehandedly almost cost us a Natty.
Worst game plan: Applewhite. I'm not saying the guy is a bad coach but it was just such a bad hire. Talk about a square peg in a round hole. Major had neither the personnel nor the head coaches' blessing to try and run his offense so it's no wonder it didn't work. I don't know which was the bigger disaster, him trying to run the spread with Shula/Saban's players or him trying to meld Saban run heavy style into his offense.
Best play caller: Kiffin. If he actually put the same talent into creating a cohesive game plan as he did his play calling, the man would be unstoppable. Unfortunately, there's too much Joey Freshwater in him.
Best game planner: McElwain. My only complaint is CJM was a little bland at times and lacked some creativity that resulted in some vanilla strategies. They were basic but effective. He just didn't utilize all his weapons to stretch the field enough. That's the root of his red zone struggles.
Worst mind: Rader. He still hasn't figured out that his shite doesn't work when you are overmatched athletically.
Worst play caller: Nuss and it's not even close. If you need proof, go back and watch that SEC CG with UGA. He singlehandedly almost cost us a Natty.
Worst game plan: Applewhite. I'm not saying the guy is a bad coach but it was just such a bad hire. Talk about a square peg in a round hole. Major had neither the personnel nor the head coaches' blessing to try and run his offense so it's no wonder it didn't work. I don't know which was the bigger disaster, him trying to run the spread with Shula/Saban's players or him trying to meld Saban run heavy style into his offense.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 9:32 am to stomp
Dave Rader.
How is this even still a discussion?
How is this even still a discussion?
Posted on 5/25/17 at 9:52 am to phil4bama
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Best game planner: McElwain. My only complaint is CJM was a little bland at times and lacked some creativity that resulted in some vanilla strategies. They were basic but effective. He just didn't utilize all his weapons to stretch the field enough. That's the root of his red zone struggles
Sums up McElwein perfectly
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:27 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
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Dave Rader
Didn't Shula call the plays?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:56 pm to harmonics
Together they created the worst package of all time. The jumbo package.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 2:48 pm to stomp
McElwain has some masterful games, that NC game against LSU being his best work. He was very bland though, I still remember those drives that consisted of dives, a WR screen, a slant, and a punt.
I still say his biggest mark on his tenure is "wasting" Julio Jones. You have one of the most physically gifted football players to ever walk through the university and you didn't take full advantage. Julio did a lot, but he could have shattered records in just a slightly more developed passing game.
I still say his biggest mark on his tenure is "wasting" Julio Jones. You have one of the most physically gifted football players to ever walk through the university and you didn't take full advantage. Julio did a lot, but he could have shattered records in just a slightly more developed passing game.
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