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Posted on 8/31/15 at 4:26 pm
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 4:26 pm
THE GAME: The No. 3/3 University of Alabama football team travels to Arlington, Texas, for its season opener with No. 20/18 Wisconsin in the AdvoCare Classic on Saturday, Sept. 5. The neutral site matchup inside AT&T Stadium between the Crimson Tide and Badgers is scheduled for a 7 p.m. CT kickoff on ABC. Chris Fowler will serve as the play-by-play announcer with Kirk Herbstreit at his side as the color analyst. The pair will be joined by sideline reporter Heather Cox. Eli Gold and Phil Savage will handle the radio call on the Crimson Tide Sports Network, with Chris Stewart serving as the sideline reporter. ESPN Radio will carry the game as well, with Bill Rosinski, David Norrie and Joe Schad on the call.

WISCONSIN: The Badgers are coming off an 11-3 year that ended with a 34-31 victory over Auburn in Outback Bowl on New Year’s Day. Wisconsin wrapped up the regular season 10-2 overall and 7-1 during Big Ten play to earn a spot in the conference championship game. The Badgers are directed by fi rst-year head coach Paul Chryst, who comes to UW after three seasons at Pitt that saw the Panthers go 19-19 over that time. Wisconsin enters 2015 returning 11 starters and 44 lettermen from a season ago.

DOME OPENERS: Under head coach Nick Saban, Alabama has played in fi ve season-opening games inside a domed stadium. In those fi ve contests, the Crimson Tide is a perfect 5-0 and owns a 177-81 scoring advantage over its opponents.

ESPN COLLEGE GAMEDAY: Alabama will be making its 33rd (20-12 record) appearance on ESPN’s College GameDay when the popular pregame show broadcasts from Fort Worth for Saturday’s season opener between the Crimson Tide and Badgers. It will mark Alabama’s 24th appearance under head coach Nick Saban (17-6). The 24 appearances in the Saban era are four better than Oregon for the most GameDay appearances since the 2007 season.

BEATING THE BEST: The Crimson Tide is 31-11 (.738) against the Associated Press top 25, including a 17-6 (.739) mark against AP top-10 teams since the start of 2008. This season, the Tide will face off against seven teams in the AP preseason poll

RETURNING SUCCESS: The Crimson Tide returns 12 starters and 54 letterwinners from its 2014 squad that finished 12-2 as the SEC Western Division and SEC Champions

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Posted by taylormade
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 4:50 pm to
from BOL guy

I wasn't planning to do much of anything, but a couple of people (on BOL and in person) asked me to, so here's what I got. Keep in mind, this is a for-fun sort of rambling analysis; I'm a numbers guy, and that doesn't really translate to the preseason. Anyway, here are my musings (SEC focused) for the upcoming season.

-A few thoughts on the quarterback battle:
--First, I'm not the right person to give any deep analysis, as I haven't seen a single snap in fall camp. What I can try to do is comment a bit on quarterbacking in general.
--The first thing I'll note is that it's quite possible to get excellent production from an inconsistent quarterback with a live arm. Jarrett Lee was a guy who couldn't read a defense to save his life. But, in 2011, LSU used Lee's strong arm to create a powerful play-action passing game off the run. Lee's 152 QBR from 2011 would have just edged out Dak Prescott from this past season.
--Second, there's a bit of a false dichotomy in terms of youth vs. experience going around. Some people talk about "play to win today," others, "play the new guy, take your lumps this year." But, there's a third option: play the guy who will win in October. JT Barrett was less than stellar last year in week 2 versus Virginia Tech, but, come the end of the season, he was phenomenal. Though I expect Coker to start for Wisconsin, the staff has to be giving some serious thought to who will be the best player to get us through our stretch run in October.
--Finally, expect the offense to change. Something we forget is that we opened the season as a -huddling- tempo team. Kiffin prefers to run the huddle, have pro-style, complicated plays, and ask the quarterback to check a bit. Despite how much you sometimes here "Sims was perfect for what they did," the truth was, Kiffin made what we did perfect for Sims. But I would expect to see some very different things stylistically this year, especially if we have an inconsistent, big-armed quarterback (see Lee above). The play card experiment was one thing, but, considering our strengths (the run and defense), I expect us to take the tempo back down a little more and play some power football.
--My general belief over the past few years (dating back to 2013) is that our corner play has been our Achilles heel. However, in my humble opinion, it's often been an issue of size more than technique. In the opener, Sylve gave us quality reps, but just couldn't high point the ball over the towering White. Then, against Mizzou, our corners were again thrown past. Further, a huge key to several losses (Oklahoma and Auburn in 2013, for example) it has been an inability to stop the /run/ that has killed us on the perimeter. Sylve is just too small, and Smith has really struggled to get off blocks. Unfortunately, the taller options (Brown and Jackson) have been a liability deep. If Humphrey and Fitzpatrick step up, I feel it will be the increase in size against the pass and especially against the run that will make the biggest impact.
--To toot my own horn a bit, I mentioned in the runup to last year that Cyrus compared favorably to the progression Javy took in his career. Here's to hoping it continues, and Cyrus ends up an all-star player.
Posted by taylormade
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 4:50 pm to
-A couple points on Wisconsin:
--Here's a decent note for comparison: LSU put up 24 points on Wisconsin in the season opener. LSU played 3 other ranked teams, and the most they scored in those games was 13 (us in OT).
--As I tried to note in the lead-up to the playoff last year, the Big Ten was Pac-12 like in how tOSU was on another planet versus the rest of the conference. The B1G is not back; tOSU is back. The B1G had maybe 2 quality teams in tOSU and MSU, and the rest performed predictably poorly in the bowls.
--As a result, Wisconsin played ONLY 2 teams that finished in the top 25. Auburn and tOSU. Their win (Auburn) was against a borderline top-25 team that was badly depleted. The loss (tOSU) was awful.
--Knock on wood a bit, but I'm not sure that they're really all that good. Their OL lost 3/5 starters, and is a bit banged up. They lost 3/5 leading tacklers, and 3/5 leading receivers.
--Defensively, they are very aggressive, so look for a lot of pressure against our new quarterback. However, they only had 6 interceptions last season, which was 112th nationally, so I'm not sure if they're really going to be able to generate turnovers.
--Considering the increase of athleticism on our offensive line, which really limited our screen game last year, I expect a lot more screens and misdirection to try to take advantage of their aggression.

-Thoughts on Texas A&M
--TAM is a team that just isn't getting much love, and it's probably for good reason. After starting with a bang, it's been nothing but downhill.
--At this point, I have real questions as to whether Sumlin's system, which has a strong focus on a downfield passing game and the inside run, can really succeed without a stellar offensive line.
--On the same note, I will forever hold that the 2012 Texas A&M team underachieved. They had three 1st round OTs, a 2nd round pick at RB, a 1st round pick at QB, a first round pick at WR, and Swopes (who failed medically to make the NFL). The defense, though not as good as ours, was solid. But that team had -no business- losing twice before they played us.
--(For the record, the 2012 TAM line, with the #2, #6, #21, and #152 picks, and Mike Matthews still to go, was probably actually better than ours that year).

-Thoughts on LSU
--I agree with Phil Steele on this one: LSU is an overlooked national title contender. The line is solid and the receivers are elite. Their weakness last year (which I predicted in detail in before the season) was a complete lack of any experience in the interior of their defense. (By the way, it really makes the secondary look better when teams don't /need/ to throw). However, as we experienced late in the year, those guys didn't stay young forever.
--Another factor is recruiting. Recruiting is the best predictor of success, and for a while there, LSU was really struggling:
2010- 8
2011- 8
2012- 14
--But, lately, they've turned it around:
2013- 6
2014- 2
2015- 5
--Point being, yes, they have losses, but their recruiting is back at an elite level. The talent level at LSU has to make them a dark horse contender by default.
--HOWEVER, their losses /are/ pretty bad. Looking up their defensive leaders, it was easier to figure out who's coming back than leaving. On defense, they lose 6/10 leading tacklers. Only nos. 2, 6, 8, and 9 return. Combine that with some of the worst quarterback play I have ever seen at a top-tier school (Jennings was #86 in QBR... behind Cole Stoudt and Devin Gardner), and you see why people aren't exactly gung-ho.
--It all depends on the QB. If that doesn't improve, this is another 7-8 win team. If it does, all bets are off.
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 4:51 pm
Posted by taylormade
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 4:50 pm to
-Thoughts on Auburn:
--Auburn is all about the offense. Yeah, they have Muschamp, but it's not like Ellis Johnson was considered a loser (nor Vangorder before him). The first issue is simply talent. Auburn, while having good defensive lines, has been very poor in the back 7. I believe the other side has been practice style. Many overlook the fact that Malzahn prefers to practice with minimal contact, and with a focus on offensive tempo. That has to make it hard for the defense to get quality reps, and I think it shows on the field.
--If I were an Auburn fan, my concern would be on a running game that's losing a lot of crucial pieces. Their 2013 team used Prosch as a lead blocker for a powerful zone running game. In 2014, Uzomah and Fulse tepped up into h-back roles, and they continued their sweep game. Now, without Uzomah, Fulse, Grant, Marshall, or Artis-Payne, all the pieces of the power zone play are gone. Everyone looks at Marshall, but Uzomah, Fulse, and Grant are just as importantt. Uzomah and Fulse allowed Auburn to line up in a wide variety of formation to leverage good pass catchers as blockers. It's tough on the defender lined up opposite of Uzomah and Fulse, as they were either too small for the run or too big for the pass. Plus, Auburn could run anything from a 4-wide to a 2-TE set from the same personnel.
--This year, Auburn has only freshmen to use at FB. Malzahn himself noted in camp that the position was one of his greatest worries. Add the loss of your two leading rushers, and Auburn (who ran that power zone over and over and over the last two years) will need a new bag of tricks.
--This gets to the passing game. Johnson may be a great passer. He may not be. But I do know that he only has one returning starter at WR in Duke, and (many miss this) Louis will be needed to fill Corey Grant's role as a sweep back if they want to keep that part of their playbook. Johnson may well be better, and not have much to show for it.
--Take these two QBs:
QB1 - Soph - 36/48 (75%) 410 yards 7 TDs 0 INTs
QB2 - Soph - 28/37 (76%) 436 yards 3 TDs 0 INTs
--QB1? John Brantley in 2009. Heralded as the next big thing going into 2010 after backing up (and starting for an injured) Tim Tebow in 2009. However, Brantley would ultimately come to be known generally as a failure.
--The point here is that you just can't say anything, one way or another, until the pads start popping on a big stage. I'm not going to criticize Johnson, as I haven't seen him, but I strongly caution against those praising him, because you haven't seen him either. Even if he /is/ better, I doubt it shows too much for the reasons above.
--All that said, they should be more talented on defense. The return of Lawson, addition of Matthews at S, and maturity of their LBs should pay dividends. However, the loss of Wright, Blackson and Bradley really hurts their depth, and they will likely be susceptible against the run. Further, don't overlook that they lost 3/6 in their nickel. The media tends to miss when this happens... Therezie (the "Star") isn't part of the 4-3, so his loss doesn't show up on a lot of sheets (Athlon only shows 2 CBs, for example). But, in a nickel, they have minimal depth, and they may well have to start a freshman.
--For those of you looking for Auburn to lose to Louisville, personally, I wouldn't bother. Louisville lost as many players to the draft last year as they had the prior 7 years /combined/. They are just totally depleted. For example, they lost 7 of their top 9 receivers. Mentally prepare yourself for Auburn to thump them, and to hear a lot of chest thumping as a result. If Auburn doesn't thump them, it's a REALLY bad sign.

-Thoughts on Arkansas
--I'm just not that high on these guys.
--They have a good offensive line and a strong run game, but they probably will feel the loss of Williams pretty badly.
--Offensively, I just don't see them getting much better. Allen improved tremendously last year, but 2/3 leading receivers were tight ends, a sure sign that you aren't running a /real/ passing game. They just don't have any receivers you're scared of, and that's not a good thing in this league.
--The bigger issue is on defense. Arkansas had a hot end to last year shutting out LSU and Ole Miss. Much of that was due to Arkansas's disruptive front, with 3 players (Flowers, Philon, and Spaight) in double digit TFL. None return.
--Everyone seems to be overlooking the loss of Spaight. He has 127 tackles last year, about double anyone else. To put it in perspective, CJ Mosley had 107 in 2012. Considering the poor recruiting Arkansas had under Petrino and Smith, I think their defense may take a step back.
--If their defense takes a step back, (considering the injury to Williams) I doubt the offense can keep pace.
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 4:52 pm
Posted by taylormade
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 4:51 pm to
-Thoughts on MSU
--I will be very, very surprised if they're any good. Their 9 returning starters puts them 121/127 in FBS. And they don't recruit well. They have Prescott, but who will block? Who will run?
--Oh, and there was always talk last year of their first string D and their second string. The first string was as good as anyone. The second string... was a little rough.
--To me, 2014 MSU was a classic case of a senior-laden team having huge success early due to their edge and experience, and fading late as other teams catch up. Take away the seniority, and they're just an untalented team with a couple of decent players. It will take a great coaching job by Mullen (whom I believe to be an excellent coach but a poor recruiter) for them to be even competitive in the West.

-Thoughts on Ole Miss
--Initial impression: if you're a top 5 team one year, and return 16 starters, you /really/ ought to be good.
--Hilton, Elston and Conner are solid safeties, and they won't really miss Prewitt. They lost both corners, but replace them with two 4* JUCO guys. Shepard was slated to start last season before injury.
--In short, this is a /solid/ looking team.
--Still, there's no depth (much like last season). They need Treadwell and Tunsil early, because the TCU game showed just how drastic the drop-off is after them.
--It's unfortunate we play them early. Their experience and first string talent is impressive. It will be injuries that will likely kill them.
--I can't help but feel that this is an underrated squad (due to the TCU debacle). When healthy, on paper, they are as good as they come.
--Much of this hinges on Kelly. However, I don't understand why Johnson at AU, with his limited reps, has all they hype, while Kelly, who has far more experience as the NJCAA 1st team QB, gets none. I kind of feel that the preseason predictions for Auburn and Ole Miss this year are generally backward (I wouldn't fault anyone for picking OM to win the SEC for the first time ever).
--They better enjoy it though, because they are going to fall off a cliff next season unless they can convince their 5* players to stick around.

-Thoughts on UT
--There is every single reason to think they get better. They return virtually everyone of note outside of AJ Johnson.
--The problem is that better may be good, and not necessarily great. This was a 6-6 regular season team last year. There's a lot of hype after the win over Iowa, but Iowa absolutely limped into the bowl.
--With Oklahoma week 2 followed later by UGA and UF, Tennessee may well be 3-3 going into their game against Bama. A better team, but a 7 or 8 win season is still likely.

-Thoughts on UGA
--Good news: Jenkins and Floyd chose to come back. Bad news: The rest of the front 7 will not. Herrera and Wilson were both 110+ tackle players at LB, and the lack of any returning DL will have to hurt.
On offense, Georgia was 1st in the SEC in rushing last year, but only 9th in passing. (If you want to understand the UF/USC losses, that may be why. Both teams had consistent issues defending the pass, but UGA probably wasn't good enough to exploit it).
--The question will be if they can pass. Malcolm Mitchell is the only receiver on the roster with at least 100 yards receiving in his career. They will likely start a new QB in Ramsey. The running game may be good, but it's hard to win if you're one-dimensional.

-I'm curious to see how Southern Cal holds up this year. I've predicted that 2015 and 2016 would be rough for them just due to their numbers and the way probation shakes out. They should have about 75 players on scholarship, but most all of them are underclassmen. When that big group matures, they may be great, but national title talk for an 8-4 team from last year may be pretty premature.

-I will be really interested in watching the Ohio-State versus VT game on Monday. Ohio State may have the revenge factor, but they will be out their top 4 receivers, and VT should have a top 5 defense. It gets hard to move the ball when you're on your #5, #6, and #7 guys. Otherwise, Ohio State really does look legit. You can't forget that college football is /not/ a balanced sport. Sometimes, there is a team that's just absurdly good. Ohio State is such a team, and it's all about focus.
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 4:52 pm
Posted by taylormade
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 4:51 pm to
-My preseason guess for the SEC (it's a wild guess)

West (Three tiers 1. Bama and Ole Miss on top, 2. Auburn, LSU, TAM, Arky, 3. MSU)
Bama - Simply the most talented team
Ole Miss - Have the fewest holes
Auburn - Very good squad, but may fall behind a wildcard team in...
LSU - Everything needed to be elite, but for the awful QB
Texas A&M - A bit forgotten, should have a strong offense
Arkansas - Just not sold on them
MSU - Should be a clear 7th

East (Three tiers relative to west: 2. UGA and UT 3. UF, USC, and Mizzou 4. UK and Vandy)
Georgia - Most talented squad, just need a passing game
Tennessee - Someone has to go here, and UT should be good
Florida - Coaching upgrade, but heaviest losses in the SEC from last year
South Carolina - Do they have a QB? Achilles heel (CB) should be better
Mizzou - Gutted WR core, lost half their sacks in dominant Ray and Golden
Kentucky - They aren't Vandy
Vandy - They're Vandy

Well, that's about all I have for now. If people have something specific they are particularly interested about, or some other questions, let me know.

Addendum:
- Quick thought on the draft that I'd forgotten to add. For some reason, teams like to point to the draft as a measure of success. To me, it's more a measure of failure. The better your draft went, the more talent you just lost. If you had a mediocre season and a ton of draft choices (see UF and FSU), that's really just a sign that you underachieved last year, and will be even worse this year. The only thing it's really good for is recruiting.
- Along a similar vein, let me put a different spin on the criticisms of our DBs in the draft. Personally, I think the issue is that Saban really just is /that/ good at coaching DBs. Pro coaches arrogantly assume that they'll take this "raw" player, coach him up, and get him to another level. In many cases, I think Saban has our players playing much closer to their ceiling than others at other programs, which is why they probably /are/ being over-drafted. In some border cases (see Rolando), Saban probably just got more out of the kid than any pro coach ever will.
- Further, this is a good thing for the players. Our players are getting drafted (and paid) above their actual talent level. That's money we put in their pocket. Their career is actually better than it would have been, it's just the expectations that are a bit off.
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 4:52 pm
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 5:38 pm to
Hell yeah, missed this stuff!!
Posted by Patton
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 7:35 pm to
That was an awesome read and I want to make a thread on the rant just copying and pasting that guys points to read the replies for the fans here.
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Posted on 9/1/15 at 3:18 pm to
bump
Posted by HempHead
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taylormade



Solid analysis. Much appreciated!
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