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re: Am I the only one who still lays the Ohio State loass at the feet of Kiffin?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:21 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:21 pm to ReauxlTide222
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IMO. The defense was playing with their hair on fire! I'm sure it was a commercial break but the band was playing Down For My N****s at every opportunity and the guys on the field were dancing the whole time. Then lineup and pop OSU in the mouth.
Best part of the whole game.
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 5:00 pm to I Love Bama
quote:It's not like we think the defense wasn't at fault. But they were shaky and downright bad at times all year. They performed about like many figured they would. They performed like they had all year.
Blows my mind that people are saying otherwise
Posted on 7/2/15 at 7:15 pm to FairhopeTider
I look at it like this.....it was absolutely, positively, without a shadow of a doubt 110% Lane Kiffin's fault. No question about it. BUT, it was Season 1 here at Bama, and I expect better next year, as Saban and Lane have an off-season to talk about expectations. I hope the loss brings them together and motivates for next year.
Posted on 7/3/15 at 2:00 am to FairhopeTider
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Well, Kiffin deserves blame but at the same time it was Kirby's defense that was giving up those 3rd and Longs and allowed 35 points with over 200+ yards rushing.
That said, we did nothing on offense to alleviate the defense. We got into a rut of 3 & Outs, which had been a problem all year. The playcall after the OSU miffed punt was awful. Our problem was that we simply didn't have an identity on offense and refused to take what the defense gave us.
Since we probably won't have a QB who will have Sims' ability to scramble, I'm really concerned about the 3 and out problem.
The 3 and out problem I think is a symptom of an O-Line that wasn't what it had been in previous years.
I'm hoping it will be improved this year, and that will resolve the issue.
Posted on 7/3/15 at 2:02 am to GumpDyke
And personally, thinking a loss in a team sport falls onto the feet of 1 person seems a bit silly to me.
Sometimes you just come up short. Could have done this different, could have done that different, just hope they learned from it and moved on.
Ohio St was a physical team and I hope it made Saban think of having a more physical team in the future rather than the trend of smaller guys because of the meercat offenses.
Sometimes you just come up short. Could have done this different, could have done that different, just hope they learned from it and moved on.
Ohio St was a physical team and I hope it made Saban think of having a more physical team in the future rather than the trend of smaller guys because of the meercat offenses.
Posted on 7/3/15 at 2:49 am to GumpDyke
When you average 6.5 YPG and do not run the ball but a few times, the loss is on you.
Posted on 7/3/15 at 9:23 am to Hulkamania Saban
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I look at it like this.....it was absolutely, positively, without a shadow of a doubt 110% Lane Kiffin's fault. No question about it. BUT, it was Season 1 here at Bama, and I expect better next year, as Saban and Lane have an off-season to talk about expectations. I hope the loss brings them together and motivates for next year.
To say the loss is 110% Kiffin's fault is complete and utter nonsense. Furthermore, i don't think we get to the title game at all last year without Kiffin.
Posted on 7/3/15 at 9:40 am to 14&Counting
You're right saying we don't get to the playoff without Kiffin. Some of those regular season drives in tight games (LSU, Auburn most of second half, MSU when they pulled close) we called fantastically.
That being said, I think he does deserve a good bit of the blame for the OSU game. We were running the ball down their throats in the third quarter, and should have made them stop us. But we didn't, and our defense fell apart- they deserve a lot of blame too.
But still last season was an amazing season. The team no doubt overachieved last year, and despite the ending I think it was one of Saban's best coaching jobs. Really excited and optimistic about this year's team
That being said, I think he does deserve a good bit of the blame for the OSU game. We were running the ball down their throats in the third quarter, and should have made them stop us. But we didn't, and our defense fell apart- they deserve a lot of blame too.
But still last season was an amazing season. The team no doubt overachieved last year, and despite the ending I think it was one of Saban's best coaching jobs. Really excited and optimistic about this year's team
Posted on 7/3/15 at 10:18 am to FairhopeTider
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Well, Kiffin deserves blame but at the same time it was Kirby's defense that was giving up those 3rd and Longs and allowed 35 points with over 200+ yards rushing.
Kiffin didn't throw 3 ints. One for a pick six. In my old age the team most fired up for the game shows it on defense more often than not.
Hell yes in hindsight I'd run the ball at least 3 more times than we did. You can guess which plays that would be.
Posted on 7/3/15 at 1:33 pm to GumpDyke
We lost. Get over it. It's a new year. Play calling was suspect, but the players have to execute at the end of the day.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:19 am to GumpDyke
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Am I the only one who still lays the Ohio State loass at the feet of Kiffin?
Nope. The world is full of idiots.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:28 am to GumpDyke
Any game where we score 35 points and lose, I'm lookin' at the defense...
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:55 am to WW
Blame goes on all sides, the fact that we never got good play all season from the defensive backfield should have been a warning before the game. Our corners and safties got exposed all season and it reared its ugly head again on the biggest stage.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 9:36 am to MrBiriwa
But running the ball - which was going well - would have helped keep the defense off the field.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 4:37 pm to bbeck
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Play calling was suspect, but the players have to execute at the end of the day.
SDH got absolutely leveled by a wr on that Elliot 80 whatever yarder. I blame Kiffin for that.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 6:06 pm to OldPete
quote:Everyone understands that. But the defense was the defense last year. It's not like they were the 2011 defense then bam, gave up 35 points to Ohio State. That was about par for the course against the talent that OSU brought at that point in the season. I put it on Sims and Kiffin, but more Sims. And that doesn't mean I don't love Sims and appreciate the hell out of what he did for Alabama. But the team was the team. And the mistakes he made were too much for that version of Alabama to overcome against that OSU team.
Any game where we score 35 points and lose, I'm lookin' at the defense...
This is all just an opinion though. I could be wrong.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:45 am to ReauxlTide222
There is alot of going back and forth, here is the bottom line:
The defense gave the offense 3 shining times to win this game.
The offensive play calling was complete shite, D Henry could not be stopped for any reason yet he touched the ball at the end of the 3rd.
Here is an example of it all
1st and 10- D Henry run for 8 yards
2nd and 2- Pass incomplete
3rd and 2-Pass incomplete
Need I say anything more? The defense played well enough for us to win, period. I was there and saw how hard they played to stop OSU that one last time for us to win and we completely fricking blew it on offense. When Elliot broke that long play, our star players had given their entire soul to that defense and could barely stand, it's a fact.
The defense gave the offense 3 shining times to win this game.
The offensive play calling was complete shite, D Henry could not be stopped for any reason yet he touched the ball at the end of the 3rd.
Here is an example of it all
1st and 10- D Henry run for 8 yards
2nd and 2- Pass incomplete
3rd and 2-Pass incomplete
Need I say anything more? The defense played well enough for us to win, period. I was there and saw how hard they played to stop OSU that one last time for us to win and we completely fricking blew it on offense. When Elliot broke that long play, our star players had given their entire soul to that defense and could barely stand, it's a fact.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:02 am to CrimsonBoz
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The defense played well enough for us to win, period. I was there and saw how hard they played...
Not sayin' they didn't play hard...but still, they gave up 35 points and well over 500 yards...and I can't count how many 3rd and longs they gave up during that game...yeah, the offense didn't do 'em many favors but still, they scored 35 points...and I agree with you 'bout the play calling on O, but the D still gave up a bunch of points and a bunch of big plays...
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The defense gave the offense 3 shining times to win this game.
You could also say the offense gave the defense several times to win in the first half...when we jump up 21-6, if we just stop a couple of 3rd and longs, we get the ball back with a chance to maybe put 'em away...
Bottom line: It was a team loss...neither side played to the level Bama needed to win...
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:40 am to OldPete
In the end we can talk all day about the offense not executing or the defense not executing or the suspect play calling by the staff at times. But what I saw was an OSU team that was better all around and hence why they went on to win the NC.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:57 am to TideWarrior
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But what I saw was an OSU team that was better all around and hence why they went on to win the NC.
We had correctable issues but hard to dispute that. When a talented team is on a mission and on a roll, its hard to beat them.
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