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Alabama is not RBU, WRU, LBU or any other <insert position>U. We are NFLU.

Posted on 2/14/13 at 11:28 pm
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/14/13 at 11:28 pm
{Special Note: I don't usually state the obvious, but for some reason I feel compelled.}

The praise that we get from NFL analysts never ceases to amaze me--nor does it get old. It seems like any time draft time rolls around, Bama players get bumped up a bit higher solely because of where they play, who they play, and who our coach is.

Take this most recent example from NFL.com's Mike Mayock...

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It's about midway down, but he devotes a paragraph to Alabama players and how he views them. The publicity we get from stuff like this is priceless. Over the past couple of years we've seen this sentiment shared by many in the NFL (analysts, coaches and GM's alike) and it only continues to get better as the years go by.

I would love to see a "highlights" tape of NFL analysts discussing how NFL ready our players tend to be. I would bet the media department at UA has something along these lines that they show recruits. If it included everything, I wonder how long that tape would be...

That sort of publicity that is earned and cannot be bought has got to be a nightmare to recruit against. This was generally contained to a few specific positions that UA guys have been excelling at. Namely, RB, LB, DB and OL. Things are about to get even better though. Soon it won't matter what position. They will all get the benefit of the doubt when going up against another player of equal talent.

I don't think I've ever witnessed anything like this in college football. Sure there have been schools that get a lot of media attention in the past (Flroida, USC, Miami, Ohio State, Texas, and, of course, Notre Dame, etc). But I do not ever recall media professionals openly stating on air to the general public (which obviously includes the kids in high school across the country), "If you want to get into the NFL, the best place to go is Alabama." Maybe it has, but if so, I don't think it was ever to the level it is with Bama right now.

An unbiased analyst openly stating these things is about as good a recruiting tool that you can ever have. I'm not sure there is anything better to be honest. And that shite can't be bought.

If you look at the last two years recruiting classes, this effect has probably been most evident at the RB position, LB position, WR, DB/S and the OL. We seem to be recruiting better players than the previous years at each of those spots. The great thing about this is that other positions are about to be added to the list (TE, QB, DL, and hopefully even kickers/punters).

I strongly believe that AJ will benefit greatly from this. This will lead to signing even more talented QB's coming out of high school. Getting OJ Howard was huge from the TE perspective. He's going to open our offense up like no one else can from his spot. Our DL recruits from the last few years continue to get better. All of these guys play great against the run, but one of them is eventually going to become that great pass rushing threat that we all covet. It will happen sooner, rather than later.

This cycle of success and praise from the media is a self-perpetuating juggernaut that is not easy to compete against. It obviously can be beaten occasionally. These are all still 19-21 year old human beings we are talking about. But it will never be easy to beat Alabama. Not as long as this cycle continues.

Commence to fapping.

This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 2:46 pm
Posted by FleshEatingSalsa
Floating down the Anduin
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/14/13 at 11:54 pm to
This combined with the SEC office being located in Birmingham = Bama is UNSTOPPABLE!
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 6:53 am to
It is a huge advantage for Bama now. But Pete Carroll's Trojan teams and the late 90s/early 00s Canes teams were getting lots of media love for being NFL factories, too. Maybe not to this degree, though.
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33905 posts
Posted on 2/15/13 at 11:17 am to
No, Alabama is NationalChampionU. Who gives a frick about producing NFL players? I just care about winning national championships and no college football team has done it better.
Posted by FleshEatingSalsa
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 11:28 am to
quote:

No, Alabama is NationalChampionU. Who gives a frick about producing NFL players? I just care about winning national championships and no college football team has done it better.


Well, if we're going to allow ourselves to be mildly intellectual, Tuck's point is that the success of Bama's players in the NFL can directly translate into a recruiting advantage for the program.

But if you'd prefer to be completely retarded as usual, then by all means carry on.
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 2/15/13 at 11:34 am to
This thread isn't about you Bench, nor is about what you care about. It's about high school kids that want to get into the NFL. And make no mistake, kids who play football care about getting into the NFL.

If your university is known for NFL development, you are going to get the best players. The national championships are also a biproduct of this process but kids care about getting in the NFL more than anything else. National championships are icing on the cake to them.
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 7:23 pm
Posted by mwlewis
JeffCo
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 11:38 am to
quote:

No, Alabama is NationalChampionU. Who gives a frick about producing NFL players? I just care about winning national championships and no college football team has done it better.


Alabama being an NFL factory is basically putting our recruiting on auto-pilot. Every HS player has dreams of playing in the NFL and if Alabama shows interest they will listen.
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 2/15/13 at 11:39 am to
quote:

It is a huge advantage for Bama now. But Pete Carroll's Trojan teams and the late 90s/early 00s Canes teams were getting lots of media love for being NFL factories, too. Maybe not to this degree, though.
Yeah, very true. Can't forget about them. They were definitely NFLU for a while. Bama is probably right at what they were doing back then, if they haven't already passed them by. The biggest difference between us and them was that they always seemed to have the best college QB (or at least the most highly praised). I think we will be able to say that in the near future.

When we can start getting our backups drafted when they haven't even played a game, we will have really hit the mark.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24800 posts
Posted on 2/15/13 at 11:43 am to
quote:

No, Alabama is NationalChampionU. Who gives a frick about producing NFL players? I just care about winning national championships and no college football team has done it better.


Just think a little harder and I bet you will start putting together why producing NFL players and the point of the OP matters, and why you should care if you want to continue to see those national championships.
Posted by thatdude1985
Oxford, AL
Member since Oct 2011
27038 posts
Posted on 2/15/13 at 12:27 pm to
"Best player on tape: "The best player I've seen on tape is the guard from Alabama, Chance Warmack. Now, he's not going No. 1, but he's the best football player."

I agree.
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33905 posts
Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:22 pm to
quote:


Alabama being an NFL factory is basically putting our recruiting on auto-pilot. Every HS player has dreams of playing in the NFL and if Alabama shows interest they will listen.


Miami and USC have produced more top NFL players than Bama historically. Hell, Pete Carroll's USC teams and Urban Meyer's Florida teams had more NFL talent than us but we have more rings. That's all I care about.
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:44 pm to
Kind of my whole point is that this is changing. Analysts are openly saying that we are the best choice for kids who want to make to the NFL. I can't ever recall these guys saying this about UF and USC to the degree that they do about us. Maybe I wasn't paying close attention back then, but all you hear about is Alabama this and Alabama that.

It is really an unfair advantage for us at the moment. And I'm all for an unfair advantage that we earned on the field. After 5 more years of Saban, I bet we beat all sorts of "players in the NFL" records. We'll also be in contention for the NC most every year because he is bringing the talent and developing it. In other words, the two aren't mutually exclusive. We can have both and we currently do.
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 2:45 pm
Posted by thefloydian
Member since Dec 2012
4771 posts
Posted on 2/15/13 at 3:21 pm to
I'm not an expert on the NFL, but other than Julio and Trent, which one of Saban's guys has really stood out in the NFL? I can't think of any.
Posted by FleshEatingSalsa
Floating down the Anduin
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

I'm not an expert on the NFL, but other than Julio and Trent, which one of Saban's guys has really stood out in the NFL? I can't think of any.


Upshaw and Hightower both had impressive rookie seasons, but keep in mind this is more about the type of player that will be a contributor. A solid addition to the team. Not as much about finding a superstar as it is about avoiding a bust.
Posted by thefloydian
Member since Dec 2012
4771 posts
Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:01 pm to
I guess. I don't think you can call Rolando anything other than a bust, though. And from what I saw Mark Barron was pretty bad this year.
Posted by FleshEatingSalsa
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

I guess. I don't think you can call Rolando anything other than a bust, though. And from what I saw Mark Barron was pretty bad this year.


You take the good with the bad. You could make an argument that Ro was not truly a Saban player, but I'm sure there will be others along the way that are clearly Saban players and just as clearly busts. Dre may fit that description in a few years, who knows.

The main point is that this isn't something a bunch of Bama fans are dreaming up, it's the opinion of a notable NFL scout, and probably a few more that feel the same but maybe haven't expressed it in such clear terms. So if you don't see it, I can understand, but it's not me who you're disagreeing with.
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:14 pm to
This thread isnt about success in the NFL. It is about the draft and the perception that Alabama players are somehow more prepared and how this benefits us in recruiting.. We dont have a large enough sample size to state whether this percieved value of Alabama player is accurate or true.
Posted by thefloydian
Member since Dec 2012
4771 posts
Posted on 2/15/13 at 10:20 pm to
quote:

This thread isnt about success in the NFL. It is about the draft and the perception that Alabama players are somehow more prepared


I understand that, but wouldn't you need to actually look at how Alabama players perform in the pros to determine whether or not that's a good assumption.

But yeah, I have seen multiple people say that Bama players get a boost in terms of their draft position just because of who they played for.
Posted by thefloydian
Member since Dec 2012
4771 posts
Posted on 2/15/13 at 10:22 pm to
quote:

You could make an argument that Ro was not truly a Saban player


Really? All I remember hearing from the 2009 season was how much Saban trusted him and how much of a coach on the field he was for the defense. I think he was one of the most highly touted "Saban guys."
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 10:22 pm
Posted by Tider-in-Florida
Florida
Member since Feb 2013
138 posts
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:15 pm to
speaking of the NFL............this could spell bad news for the barn and lswho kids trying to impress at the combine.

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