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2nd Winston accuser?

Posted on 4/11/15 at 6:23 pm
Posted by peachypeach
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Posted on 4/11/15 at 6:23 pm
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The biggest story in Jameis Winston's career so far hasn't been his on-field prowess, but the fact that he was accused of rape. That accusation has played out publicly and as a result has garnered a lot of attention, although Winston was never found guilty in any of the investigations he went through.

One overlooked part of those investigations is the mention of a second woman who was troubled by her sexual encounter with Winston. Jason Cole of Bleacher Report now says that "multiple sources" expect a second accuser to come forward, either as part of the first accuser's civil suit, or as part of her own lawsuit.

"Jameis Winston is going to be subject to a civil lawsuit going forward," Jason Cole said. "Currently, the alleged [first] victim has already filed a lawsuit against Florida State, is expected to include Jameis Winston either as part of that lawsuit, or as part of a separate civil lawsuit somewhere down the line.

"And finally, there's a second woman who claims to have had an encounter with Jameis Winston in 2013. There's some expectation out there among multiple sources that she may come forward as part of that civli suit, and either file her own civil action, or at least testify on behalf of the first alleged victim."

Cole also noted that neither the Bucs nor the NFL have spoken to Winston's accuser, nor reached out to their representation, legal or otherwise. That's not necessarily surprising: calling rape survivors to ask them to talk about their rapists' character is not something anyone does lightly, because that carries the strong risk of re-victimization. Would you trust an NFL team investigating someone they want to heavily invest in, to treat your feelings respectfully in an interview, and to respect your boundaries? On the other hand, Sharona of @SportsBySharona correctly points out that either entity could simply go through her lawyer.

This second accuser, if she's the same woman who was mentioned by the New York Times, did not initially call her encounter with Winston rape, but she was troubled enough by what happened to seek counseling. While this may seem like a strong indicator that nothing untoward happened, this is actually sadly common in rape cases -- it's why RAINN has an entire page devoted to the question "was I raped?" There's also the possibility that something happened that most wouldn't classify as rape, but still violated her consent. Of course, it may be nothing serious, either.

It's worth noting that at this point, none of that is the case: there is no second accusation, at least not publicly. But if there does turn out to be a second accusation of rape against Winston, that would be a major problem. We've all seen how people have turned a blind eye to rape accusations in the past -- most recently in the case of Bill Cosby, but also with Woody Allen, fashion photographer Terry Richardson, Darren Sharper's days as a serial rapist after being an NFL superstar, and of course Ben Roethlisberger -- who was accused of rape twice, and never charged or convicted.

It is, of course, important to remember that Winston was never found guilty. I don't know whether or not he's guilty. I don't think anyone outside of the two parties involved truly knows. But regardless of legal punishment, I still don't feel comfortable rooting for someone where there's even a little doubt about whether or not he raped someone.

Of course, I'm not the one who gets to make the choice of whether or not Winston becomes a Buccaneer. That's up to Jason Licht, Lovie Smith and the Glazers. And they're going to have to try their hardest to get to the bottom of all of this, if they can, and decide whether they want Winston representing their franchise -- potentially for the next 20 years.


Posted by TiptonInSC
Aiken, SC
Member since Dec 2012
18902 posts
Posted on 4/11/15 at 6:26 pm to
tl;dr

RA'd
Posted by UASports23
Member since Nov 2009
24344 posts
Posted on 4/11/15 at 6:35 pm to
Regardless of this 2nd accuser. It's sad that Jameis is going to be the #1 draft pick.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 4/11/15 at 7:02 pm to
Surprising that she's going straight to a civil suit without trying a criminal one first.
























Oh wait, that's not fricking surprising one bit.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111494 posts
Posted on 4/11/15 at 7:10 pm to
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Surprising that she's going straight to a civil suit without trying a criminal one first. Oh wait, that's not fricking surprising one bit.


So you know nothing about this story other than some whispered allegations, but the chick is after money. Perfect. Nowhere in this thread to go but up.







Not really. It will get worse.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23179 posts
Posted on 4/11/15 at 9:49 pm to
Another lawsuit wouldn't be a big surprising. Neither would more accusers. I think this guy is going to be a PR nightmare for whichever team drafts him. Just my opinion.
This post was edited on 4/11/15 at 9:50 pm
Posted by Garfield
Kew Gardens
Member since Dec 2011
7785 posts
Posted on 4/11/15 at 9:59 pm to
I hope justice prevails.

It is equally as sickening to think that he could be the #1 pick as a rapist as it is that he could not be a rapist but have his reputation smeared.

The problem I have with him (which doesn't mean he is guilty) is that he acts like someone who is guilty of rape acts like (e.g., immature, character assassination, refuse to cooperate with police, lawyer up, etc.). But that could be just because he is young and has been protected due to athletic ability.

Dude just seems guilty.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23179 posts
Posted on 4/11/15 at 10:11 pm to
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Dude just seems guilty.

The first accuser didn't act like someone who changes their mind and cried rape. She claimed rape immediately after the incident, went to the hospital, called a friend - like an actual victim. Then he played the game of lawyering up, etc.

She acted like a true victim, and he acted guilty. That's why I tended to believe the accusation.
Posted by Garfield
Kew Gardens
Member since Dec 2011
7785 posts
Posted on 4/11/15 at 10:21 pm to
Totally agree. Her and his actions just didn't fit the script for a false accusation. There may have been some gray area via violence/force but I believe she did not consent and he knew he was doing/did something that was without consent.

With two girls seeking assistance after sexual encounters with him, it is also hard to believe this is not a pattern (as I assume most would not reach out to police/campus therapy even after an unfortunate sexual encounter but would just want to move on). Also, both sought assistance before he played a down as a starting QB.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68429 posts
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:06 am to
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She acted like a true victim, and he acted guilty. That's why I tended to believe the accusation.
She changed her story several times. Which makes me think she was lying.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111494 posts
Posted on 4/12/15 at 9:23 am to
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The university's police chief obtained original police reports as well as supplemental reports from Tallahassee police on Nov. 8, 2013, at least four days before the case was turned over to Meggs, the local prosecutor responsible for investigating serious crimes and filing criminal charges.


Her story had issues. There's no question. But we will never know if Winston and his roommates had holes in their stories. They were able to coordinate before they were ever questioned and knew exactly what their accuser had testified to. That's a key point that's gotten lost in all of the story.

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• The university's police chief forwarded the reports to a high-ranking administrator in the Florida State athletic department, and within days they ultimately wound up in the hands of Winston's defense attorney — also before Meggs was notified of the case and launched his own investigation. Two critical witnesses — Florida State football players who said they were present the morning of the alleged assault — discussed the case with Winston's lawyer and ultimately signed affidavits at his behest backing the quarterback's version of the incident. That happened before law enforcement officers tried to talk to them about what they saw and remembered, a dramatic road block in the state attorney's effort to determine whether Winston should be charged with rape. .
Posted by GeauxToBed
Covington, LA
Member since Mar 2015
6113 posts
Posted on 4/12/15 at 2:13 pm to
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She changed her story several times. Which makes me think she was lying.



THIS!!!
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
29987 posts
Posted on 4/12/15 at 4:16 pm to
She changed her story several times. Which makes me think she was lying.

People piling on Winston tend to conveniently forget this. I think the kid is a douche. Never thought he was a rapist.

And for those of you saying, "I believe her because this occurred before he had played a down"...please. You don't think girls know exactly who (insert name of highly recruited 5* QB here) is before he ever plays a down as a freshman?
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17311 posts
Posted on 4/12/15 at 6:19 pm to
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Surprising that she's going straight to a civil suit without trying a criminal one first. Oh wait, that's not fricking surprising one bit.


I don't know the details of this case, but it's very common for rape cases to end up in civil court. The burden of proof is much different. Also, if she just testifies in the first girl's case then she won't get a dime. The timing is suspicious, with him about to come into a lot of money, but you shouldn't read too much into in being a civil suit.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111494 posts
Posted on 4/12/15 at 6:23 pm to
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People piling on Winston tend to conveniently forget this. I think the kid is a douche. Never thought he was a rapist.


Do you find it odd that Winston had her statement before he was required to answer a question?

Once he's coached by his lawyer, his story and his teammate's story is going to be picture perfect.

Yes. The girl had troubling changes to her story. But we'll never know if Jameis would've had holes in his story because the deck was stacked.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
29987 posts
Posted on 4/13/15 at 3:20 pm to
Well, since the burden of proof is on the state/accuser, I would think the fact her story was slightly less than credible pretty much seals the deal.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111494 posts
Posted on 4/13/15 at 6:22 pm to
Police do not usually give the accuser's statement to the accused, especially prior to questioning them. It allows the accused to craft their statement in such a way as to mitigate the accuser's story.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
29987 posts
Posted on 4/13/15 at 6:50 pm to
Not arguing that. That was sketchy. However, if JW hadn't said a thing at all, her story had enough inconsistencies to it that this was never going to see a criminal courtroom.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:13 am to
Just another thug ninja. He'll be arrested twice in the next year yet still have millions because of the morons who will buy his jersey or pay to attend his games.

If my team was in line to draft that POS, I would send a letter rescinding my tickets if he was drafted.

Everyone complains but are too big of a Leahy to step up and do something.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:30 am to
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Everyone complains but are too big of a Leahy to step up and do something.

'Merica in a nutshell
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