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re: Which salary raise would you choose?

Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:48 pm to
Posted by Kodar
Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:48 pm to
The wording of the question was absolutely terrible.
Posted by Tigerswillprevail
Member since Nov 2011
2865 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:53 pm to
Guess I don't do math haha

The key is adding total every six months, instead of the $600 I added to the presumed annual of $30000

Thanks for showing your work, even a dummy like me can see it now.
Posted by Volatile
Tennessee
Member since Apr 2014
5471 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:56 pm to
The author of this question supposedly has the highest IQ on record. You'd think she could communicate better. That said, I think the way she is presenting it is flawed since you don't get raises in the way she says in the second option. It doesn't compound like that.

It's listed as one of her mistakes in her Wikipedia article by the way.
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 7:59 pm
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 7:59 pm to
quote:

Guess I don't do math haha 

The key is adding total every six months, instead of the $600 I added to the presumed annual of $30000 

Thanks for showing your work, even a dummy like me can see it now. 




Don't feel bad I did the same thing
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42557 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:13 pm to
Your annual income is never 30k under the 300 every 6 month raise. That is the trick to the question.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35606 posts
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:39 pm to
The wording is terrible In the question and the explaination isn't much better.

Numbers did the job much better.
Posted by GatorReb
Dallas GA
Member since Feb 2009
9280 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:13 am to
Start .......Year 1.....................Year 2..................... Year 3. .......... Salary to start year 4

30,000- 15,000- 15,300---15,600- 15,900-----16,200- 16,500----- $32,700

30,000- 15,000- 15,000---15,500-15,500-----16,000- 16,000----- $32,000

There I think I mapped it out to see easily. Even though I see the math laid out this is blowing my mind and I can't explain with words why this is happening lol



Never mind. I read comments in article. It has to do with when you get a $300. Raise it goes to your overall salary not just for those six months. So instead of adding $300 every 6 months you only add $150
This post was edited on 1/30/15 at 7:44 am
Posted by InVolNerable
Member since Jan 2012
10203 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:24 am to
quote:

The wording of the question was absolutely terrible.


Yep. Because a $300 raise normally means $300 to total salary. Meaning yearly income for year 1 would go from $30,000 to $30,300. But since only half the year was worked at $30,000 and the other half at $30,300, actual pre-tax take home would be $30,150.

Year two: $30,600 1st half, 30,900 second half for $30,750, etc.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27805 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:44 am to
Not going to check the answer,but...
If I am making $30,000 per year, I want my raise as quick as possible to help me find a higher paying job. I'll take six months for 300 alex.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:25 am to
I would slang rocks if these were my two options
Posted by Carolina_Girl
South Cackalacky
Member since Apr 2012
23973 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:31 am to
quote:

The author of this question supposedly has the highest IQ on record


Out of curiousity, what was her IQ?

Mine was 163 using the Otis- Lennon format.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27805 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:37 am to
quote:

the Otis- Lennon format.


When Otis came into town riding that cow, that was some funny shite right there!
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
13163 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:52 am to
That blew my mind. Thanks.
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
5112 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 11:58 am to
I threw it in a spreadsheet. Simple enough

Posted by diddydirtyAubie
Bozeman
Member since Dec 2010
39829 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 2:04 pm to
Less than 0.1% of the world has an IQ higher than 145 and you scored a 163?
This post was edited on 1/30/15 at 2:05 pm
Posted by Volatile
Tennessee
Member since Apr 2014
5471 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:29 pm to

quote:
The author of this question supposedly has the highest IQ on record


Out of curiousity, what was her IQ?

Mine was 163 using the Otis- Lennon format.


High enough that it's impossible to effectively measure it. 200 ish, which is basically high enough to break the IQ test.

IQ isn't all that though. Einstein only had a 160 IQ, and he changed how we view physics forever. Yet, Vos Savant has never done anything nearly that important.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63859 posts
Posted on 1/31/15 at 4:10 pm to
The whole thing is a classic math riddle where the order of operations is jumbled through word play.

This is "Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally" stuff.


Parenthesis
Exponent
Multiplication
Division
Addition
Subtraction

Work the formula in the appropriate order and Answer 1, the answer your mind is telling you is right, is actually right.

30,000 salary is 2500 per month. We break it down by the month because the riddle sets the unit of measurement by the month when she says "raise every 6 months".

A $300 raise, divided by 12 months, only adds $25 to each month's pay check for the second half of the year. Don't make the mistake of trying to compensate the entire year in arrears for $300.

We are doing Division.

Now, lets do addition.


M .. A ...... B
1 2500 same
2 2500 same
3 2500 same
4 2500 same
5 2500 same
6 2500 same
7 2500 2525
8 2500 2525
9 2500 2525
10 2500 2525
11 2500 2525
12 2500 2525

End of year one =

Salary A = 30000
Salary B = 30150

Beginning Year Two:

1 2583.3 2550
2 2583.3 2550
3 2583.3 2550
4 2583.3 2550
5 2583.3 2550
6 2583.3 2550
7 2583.3 2575
8 2583.3 2575
9 2583.3 2575
10 2583.3 2575
11 2583.3 2575
12 2583.3 2575

Salary A = 31000
Salary B = 15300 + 15450 = 30750


You can continue extrapolating this for as long as you want, Salary A pulls away further and further.


My IQ is between 129 and 141. But that's before I spent the summer of 1998 huffing whippits on Phish Tour.
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 4:18 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63859 posts
Posted on 1/31/15 at 4:21 pm to
Well shite I could have saved myself time if I had read the comments in the link first. Read the second comment, explains it more succinctly than I did.
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 4:23 pm
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 7:14 am to
It's stupid and it lies.

The 1st is 30k per year LIKE THE PROBLEM STATES. The second is 30,600 the 1st year.

The reason it tricks you is it makes your mind "assume" both jobs pay equally the first year.

Posted by datajb1
Member since Mar 2015
1 post
Posted on 3/2/15 at 3:07 pm to
year annual 6 month difference
1 january 30000 30000 0
July 30000 30300 300
2 january 31000 30600 -400
July 31000 30900 -100
3 january 32000 31200 -800
July 32000 31500 -500
4 january 33000 31800 -1200
July 33000 32100 -900
5 january 34000 32400 -1600
July 34000 32700 -1300
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 3:50 pm
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