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will this year's national champ be most accomplished ever?
Posted on 12/27/14 at 3:18 am
Posted on 12/27/14 at 3:18 am
Not asking if they will be greatest ever. I think we all agree this is a bit of a down year across the board.
But each team will have won their conference and the champ will have beaten 2 other major conf champs.
So will this make national champ this year most accomplished to date?
But each team will have won their conference and the champ will have beaten 2 other major conf champs.
So will this make national champ this year most accomplished to date?
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Posted on 12/27/14 at 3:21 am to proudertider
09 Bama had one of the highest margins of victory ever
Undefeated
Conference champ
Record number of All-Americans
Heisman winner
Beat the previous FOUR national champions, with 9 points being the closest margin in any of those games.
Undefeated
Conference champ
Record number of All-Americans
Heisman winner
Beat the previous FOUR national champions, with 9 points being the closest margin in any of those games.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 3:43 am to proudertider
No
Posted on 12/27/14 at 5:34 am to proudertider
ONLY if it is FSU.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:04 am to proudertider
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So will this make national champ this year most accomplished to date?
Guess it might depend on which team won...
IF Alabama was to win, their resume would be:
14-1 record
Played 12 bowl teams
Played 8 ranked teams
Defeated 3 top 5 teams
Defeated 4 10+ win teams
Cumulative opp record 120-75 (assuming SEC opps go 5-5 in bowls & UO beats FSU in semi-final)
For frame of reference, 2009 Alabama:
14-0 record
Played 10 bowl teams
Played 6 ranked teams
Defeated 2 top 2 teams
Defeated 3 10+ win teams
Defeated two BCS bowl teams
Cumulative opponent record: 107-72
2011 LSU (I know, not national champs but Hell of a season):
13-1 record
Played 9 bowl teams (counting Bama twice)
Played 9 ranked teams (same)
Defeated 3 top 3 teams
Defeated 5 10+ win teams
Defeated 3 BCS bowl teams (UA, WVU, & Oregon)
Cumulative opponent record: 113-65
1995 Nebraska:
13-0 record
Played 4 bowl teams (only 18 bowl games)
Played 4 ranked teams (all top 10 teams)
Defeated 4 10+ win teams (by an avg of ~31 ppg)
Defeated 2 "January 1st" bowl teams
Cumulative opponent record: 75-62-2
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:20 am to proudertider
Considering you let an arkansas team that had lost 15 conference games in a row out rush you 89 to 66, out pass you 246 to 161, out total yards you 335 to 227 and have 18 first downs to your 10. Not no, but HELL NO.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:20 am to Sancho Panza
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ONLY if it is FSU.
I disagree, 15-0 record notwithstanding...
IF FSU won it all...
Played just 6 ranked teams
Defeated 3 top 5 teams (one was Notre Dame)
Defeated 11 bowl teams
Defeated three 10+ win teams
Cumulative opp record: 115-82 (assuming opp's go 6-5 in bowls)
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:27 am to proudertider
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:35 am to beaver
Some of the champs/close calls from the '80s would be high on this list: '83 Auburn, '87 Miami, '88 Notre Dame, etc.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:43 am to The Quiet One
Won 31 games in a Row...including Back to Back NCs...
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:53 am to The Quiet One
quote:
I disagree, 15-0 record notwithstanding...
IF FSU won it all...
Played just 6 ranked teams
Defeated 3 top 5 teams (one was Notre Dame)
Defeated 11 bowl teams
Defeated three 10+ win teams
Cumulative opp record: 115-82 (assuming opp's go 6-5 in bowls)
The biggest thing Florida State will have going for them if they win the NC, is that they'll be on a 31 game win streak and be back-to-back champions. That's not a very quiet accomplishment. That said, some stats you didn't list show that they're somewhat of a weak team.
They've played 13 games thus far, and have won 7 of the 13 by a score or less, including the last four games in a row. Their two point win over a 10-3 Georgia Tech team and a four point OT win over a 9-3 Clemson team (at home) are understandable. Ugly and unimpressive, but understandable. The six point win over a 6-6 Oklahoma State, four point win over a 6-6 Miami, five point win over a 7-5 Florida (at home), three point win over a 7-5 Boston College (at home), and four point win over a 7-5 Notre Dame (at home) are not understandable. Also factor in they had to come back from 0-21 for an underwhelming 11 point win against Louisville.
No accomplished national champion should have so many close calls against such inferior competition. This is actually the reason I'm thankful that a playoff is now in order. I don't feel Florida State is any different from Notre Dame two years ago. They coast by on a mostly weak schedule, playing too many games far too sloppily.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:55 am to Sancho Panza
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Won 31 games in a Row...including Back to Back NCs
Irrelevant to the OP's question.
I don't know how you compare a team with a loss to an undefeated team in terms of "accomplished". After all those stats about the opponents, how do you factor in the Ole Miss loss?
Posted on 12/27/14 at 7:01 am to Crimson Legend
Bs; the answer the OP was fishing for was YES & AlaBama.
I'm not biting.
I'm not biting.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 7:02 am to Sancho Panza
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Won 31 games in a Row...including Back to Back NCs..
No, they didn't. They would have won 15 games and a NC. Hence "This year's national champ". 2013 has nothing to do with 2014.
You're arguing something different. This year alone, their resume isn't that impressive compared to some other teams. An Alabama or Oregon championship would be much more "accomplished" in almost every measurable way.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 7:04 am to The Quiet One
NO they both lost a game, as did aOSU.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 7:12 am to Sancho Panza
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NO they both lost a game, as did aOSU.
Oregon and Alabama played far, far superior competition, too. This isn't even remotely debatable.
If record is all that matters to you, cool. But it's not the only measure of a team's accomplishments.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 7:23 am to proudertider
I think in 50 years people will look back and call it the first real national title.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 7:25 am to proudertider
1983 Auburn Tigers
Posted on 12/27/14 at 7:40 am to The Quiet One
It is the only one that matters.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 8:29 am to proudertider
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I think we all agree this is a bit of a down year across the board.
Why do people keep saying this? What does an "up" year of college football look like?
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