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ATL Hawks Owner Looks to Sell because of "Racist Email"

Posted on 9/7/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 12:22 pm
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In this world of political correctness, i think we are really losing the ability to observe and speak our minds.

See article attached. I read it and it reads to me that he wants to bring a broader fan base to the hawks instead of 70% black. That would appear to be an attempt to be more inclusive and good marketing.

But, because of this Donald Sterling nonsense, its seen as racist?

WTF?
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 12:22 pm to
OTB
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24333 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 12:23 pm to
This is definitely the right board for ATL Hawks.
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 12:43 pm to
Why does this guy's email read like some shorthanded rant I would find on facebook?
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28804 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 1:19 pm to
That was a very not racist, but business minded email. Not an "opinion" in the email, just facts.

**** political correctness.
**** Adam Silver for being a gaping vagina.
**** Donald Sterling for being a racist and opening this can of worms.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 1:41 pm to
PC is being used to control debate and discussion. If you limit the subjects allowed to be discussed, you can push through agendas and ideology without thoughtful and thorough debate.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 2:08 pm to
What's the issue here? The guy is calling himself racist and stepping down of his own volition. Perhaps his conscious is guilty, maybe due to his thoughts being way more racist than the e-mail was.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 2:17 pm to
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Perhaps his conscious is guilty, maybe due to his thoughts being way more racist than the email was
That's insanity. He's punishing himself for his own thoughts?

This shite is bananas. Having stereotypical views is human nature. It's human nature to conform to cultural themes. It's human nature to recognize pattens. If just thinking in certain ways is racist, every single person who has ever lived is racist.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 3:20 pm to
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The guy is calling himself racist and stepping down of his own volition
Maybe he saw how much Sterling got for the Clippers and decided this was a good business decision...
Posted by DCRebel
An office somewhere
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 3:43 pm to
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PC is being used to control debate and discussion. If you limit the subjects allowed to be discussed, you can push through agendas and ideology without thoughtful and thorough debate.



And private organizations are free to do this as much as they'd like.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 3:59 pm to
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And private organizations are free to do this as much as they'd like.
And private citizens are free to criticize it as much as they like. Is there a point?
Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 4:14 pm to
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And private citizens are free to criticize it as much as they like. Is there a point?



I get that, but the post I was replying to was treating this as being a bigger deal than it is.

This isn't some grand scheme to silence debate; it's a business decision.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 4:23 pm to
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This isn't some grand scheme to silence debate; it's a business decision.
In a vacuum, sure. I think it's most certainly influenced by the larger political culture, which in many ways does take aim to silence and ostracisize those who fail to follow a certain perspective.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28804 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 4:24 pm to
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This isn't some grand scheme to silence debate; it's a business decision.


I would disagree. It is an attempt to silence debate. You think the country wants to hear about how there aren't a lot of one race of father son couples coming to games and another that are?

The dude wrote that how long ago and is just now stepping down? Sterling made his comments how long ago and we're just now finding out other owners have individual thoughts on race?

And I don't put this and Sterling anywhere near each other. Donald and his type need to take dirt naps, and soon.

ETA: I maybe misread and need to clarify. This isolated incident may not be to silence the debate. I think the grand scheme is.
This post was edited on 9/7/14 at 4:32 pm
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35605 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 6:04 pm to
You know my bleeding heartness at times and this is fricking ridiculous.

He didn't say anything that wasn't true, he didn't say anything racist from my perspective. Anyone who gets outraged over what he said is looking for a reason to be outraged. The fact this is even an issue really brings some credit to the PC run amok argument.
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 6:19 pm to
What gets me is that Levinson apparently thinks its racist and outted himself. Apologies etc.

I am wondering if this is not a very clever way out of contractual obligations because the Hawks suck.

This guy is all apologetic in advance over an email nobody knew about or even thought about from over a year ago.

To me this is insulation from being tarred with the Sterling brush and a cute way out of deciding the NBA isnt for him.

Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:09 pm to
quote:

I think it's most certainly influenced by the larger political culture, which in many ways does take aim to silence and ostracisize those who fail to follow a certain perspective.



Silence? No. Ostracize, sure, but that's how a marketplace of ideas works, is it not?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 9:45 pm to
Three things:

1.) Business-wise, I understand what he's saying. He wants to maximize profits as an owner, and seeks to do that by shifting the marketing focus to a specific demographic. Businesses do this all the time without major ethical quandaries.

2.) The manner in which he presented his position in the email did come across as very anti-black. You want to broaden your marketing horizons, fine. But don't present a message that boils down to "there are too many black people attending games and represented on the jumbotron or on the cheer squad for us to be successful." That is what I got from reading his email.

3.) Why the frick did this come out now, anyways? Blackmail is obviously afoot.

Bottom line: I wouldn't put the Hawks' owner's email in the same category as Sterling's remarks. This guy just needs a refresher in business ethics.
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19
Member since Sep 2012
23965 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 9:48 pm to
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Blackmail



pretty much this....someone was gonna leak the e-mail, and old dude chose to do it himself.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 10:20 pm to
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The manner in which he presented his position in the email did come across as very anti-black.
If it was anti-black it was only for economic reasons. He himself said he never felt unsafe or uncomfortable and in fact blamed white racists for spreading lies about the majority black fanbase, scaring off ticket-buyers. I don't see how that is anti-black people.


The rest were simply hairbrained ideas from a well-intentioned but clueless guy. He simply couldn't relate to young black people
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